The fact that only 10 percent of the population completed Black Temple raid and witnessed the stories ending is what made Blizzard create LFR. They wanted more players to see the end story in WoW instead of seeing it on third party websites
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Queuing in an mmorpg should not be an effort. The difficulty of the dungeon should be where the effort is put in.
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HvH BGâs stayed, and yet the Alliance are still here. Weird.
True hardcore players, aka raid loggers who donât do dungeons or non-GDKP pug raids past the initial few weeks, people completely unaffected by the existence of LFD.
Canât take you seriously on this when you follow it up with
Blizzardâs relying on your lack of respect for your own time, let alone everyone elseâs. Especially with having to parse your wall of text to read a whole lot of nothing.
If Blizzard truly cared about the social aspect, the friends list wouldnât be breaking every other week. LFG channel and UI would be easier to use; maybe, I dunno, with a cooldown on messages + a much shorter character limit to help reduce spam. And maybe, just maybe, I know this might sound absolutely wild, theyâd bring in the insert spooky noises Retail changes that did actually help the social side, like the Communities feature.
Social aspect was just an excuse, and you fell for it hook, line, and sinker, just like theyâd hoped.
Right, I see. I just want be clear though, that if someoneâs entire game experience absolutely hinges on Dungeon Finder, then they should play a game that has what theyâre looking for.
Every time this kind of conversation comes up, it evokes an imaginary scenario where someone walks into a vegan restaraunt and says âThis place NEEDS meat, itâs awful without it and I will only buy a meal here if thereâs meat!â They might love certain things about the vegan restaraunt, but if they absolutely NEED to have meat served to them, the vegan place just isnât where they should be. 
Of course, Iâm strictly talking about the sort of people who attempt to threaten Blizzard by saying theyâll cancel their sub if they donât get what they want. Iâm not trying to put any words in your mouth or make you seem ridiculous. This situations just reminds me of that when people are absolutely bent on having a specific thing in a specific way and anything other than that is nothing short of treachery.
Yeah, thatâs just a bad argument. Many people donât understand how the subs work, or perhaps just want to twist facts to seem like they support an argument. Itâs really a shame that people do that on these forums because at the end of the day, we should be discussing what we want in a civil way, not trying to trick one another.
Whatâs your point? O.o
Are you implying that playing a game that takes long to progress through is indicative of a problem with self-respect?
Are you talking about Classic? We literally got what we wanted. At least, those of us who actually like early WoW got what we wanted. You say the social aspect is an excuse, but it was one of the pivotal points that people cited when wanting to bring old WoW back.
Playing a game that takes long to progress through because the content takes long to get through is great. Spending half your in-game time just trying to get to the part where you actually get to play a game, is indeed a lack of respect. I thought weâd all come to understand that concept by now with Retailâs borrowed power obsession over the last 5(?) expacs.
Except for boosting. And difficulty level. And who knows what else, because a large chunk of you canât see the rust through rose-tinted goggles. Not saying I havenât been enjoying my time in Classic, but to say that every single QoL Retail change is bad, is a bold faced lie. The biggest issue is who agrees on what ones were good, but there were quite a few (AH overhaul, aforementioned Communities feature, improved LFG UI, etc) that literally have zero negatives. Even as someone whoâs been wanting Dual Spec since the start (having spent well over 5k in Classic alone in respecs), I can agree that might have been too big a change for some die-hard purists. But arguing that LFD is bad for the game, or doesnât belong in Wrath? Nah, yâall can hop off the train now.
An excuse that the devs used in the announcement, yes, because they know that there were a number of feral players clamoring on about it being
Which was never a thing Blizzard actually had control over, and have not shown they have ever had any intention of pushing the Classic community towards. Even when SM raiding was the meta at the start, that was infinitely more social than boosting. And yet, one of those things got nerfed hard, and it wasnât the anti-social one.
I really hate when people make these food analogies. I donât think the fit very well nor are they informative. But it thatâs the game you want to play, there was a restaurant, Wrath, I used to go to frequently. It served meat. I was particularly fond of their steak. It closed down for 15 years but they just announced it was reopening but would no longer serve steak. I donât think itâs wrong or a problem to let them know that I really liked their steak and I wish they would continue to serve it at the new Classic Wrath.
Why are you calling it a threat? When I unsubbed blizzard asked me why. They wanted to know. And this is a place where blizzard wants us to give them feedback. They asked for it, the customer service representatives send players here to give the devs feedback. Now it may be just a scam and they may never read the forums. They may be lying when they say they want feedback. But this is theoretically the place to tell them what we think of their decisions and suggest changes. So how can it be a problem if I do that for the last few weeks I have left on my sub?
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I know exactly what i want. Permanent bc classic. But no, i am being forced to move forward to wrath classic because blizzard is not providing a cloning service this time around, and the same thing is likely to happen in wrath classic when cataclysm classic comes out.
TBC is dead. Long live the new King,!
I donât want to stay in TBC personally, but I believe it should be an option. Hopefully they change their mind on this, because I want to be able to stay in WotLK.
Im sorry you believe this.
Wow got bigger because it appealed to the casual majority, different from other 2004~ games. The game started going to 
because blizzard started changing the game for the top 1% trying to stop some behavior they had, causing major frustation of the more casual player base.
If the current state of the game makes you feel like you have issues of self-respect, I have no idea what to tell you other than that you seem like you have a personal problem that canât be solved by being appeased by the developers of a video game. I really wish I understood you, but boiling down the gameâs time investment as an issue of respect just makes no sense to me.
Many of us enjoy the time investment of leveling, forming groups, traveling to dungeons, etc. Theyâre parts of the game we enjoy, whether you see the merit in it or not. O.o
I didnât say that. However, there are many discrete aspects of Retail that have sharply worsened the experience over time and Dungeon Finder is very often seen as on of the primary problems among them.
Iâm not sure Iâm familiar with âCommunitiesâ, is that a post-Legion feature? I quit at the end of Legion. Anyway, the other ones Iâd have to agree with â They donât have any negative impacts on the players that I can think of.
Theyâve talked about a light overhaul for the LFG UI in Wrath Classic and Iâm all for it. I donât think anyone would disagree that the original tool was a bit barebones (though I still liked it a lot). Thatâs a change that wonât throw off the balance of the design philosophy that made WoWâs first three eras great.
I think your view of people who donât want big changes to the game is far too extreme. Dual spec is a game changer and implementing it in Vanilla or TBC wouldâve altered the experience in a significant way. I absolutely see why people want it (I love dual spec myself), but I donât see why I should be considered a purist for simply wanting the âauthentic experienceâ thatâs advertised for Classic.
What does that mean, exactly?
Iâve never actually seen one here before, sorry if itâs a common occurence.
It served steak, after it spent more than half of itâs life in business, and only after 75% of their dishes had been tried and put on the menu. Steak may have been a popular dish when they first started serving it, but the restaurant was never known as a steakhouse, and so decided to stick to the âbread and butterâ for the grand reopening.
Come on, guy, the food comparison is dumb but you simply must see how adding Dungeon Finder was only ever a maybe, right? I 100% sympathize with people who will/would be disappointed to never see it in Wrath Classic, but how can one try and argue that itâs iconic to the Wrath experience without devolving into anecdotal experience that can simply be argued with different anecdotal experience?
I donât think thatâs wrong either. Just to be clear, I have no problem with you voicing your opinion whatsoever! Thatâs what this forum is for. Iâm just voicing dissenting opinion because I want my feedback to reach the right people too. In principle, I donât have any issue with people simply for disagreeing with me.
Because it literally is.
Threat [thret]
noun
a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment, injury, etc., in retaliation for, or conditionally upon, some action or course:
âHis family convinced him to take the anonymous threats seriously and call the police.â
And again, I wasnât talking about you specifically. I donât know if youâve posted one of those âIf you donât add Dungeon Finder Iâm unsubbingâ threads, but those are what I was referring to.
Iâm not sure what you mean by that, specifically. The top 1% of what? And what change was made to try and affect that small group of people that affected the entire playerbase?
Boost spam has already done this. Add dungeon finder, you reduce the demand for boost spam.
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yeah I know thatâs why I wish you didnât start it.
No, given my experience with classic so far I though we would get mostly the same experience as the original expansion with only a few small qol changes. Removing the rdf seems like a huge change to me and was totally unexpected.
Well no, I never posted that. I posted that Iâve unsubbed. If blizzard changes itâs mind and decides to add the rdf I may resub, if I havenât gotten too involved in another game in the meantime. I donât get why thatâs a problem for you. Blizzard is not the first business Iâve stopped patronizing. It wonât be the last. In fact Iâve already quit wow about 6 years ago. At the time I didnât think I was ever coming back. Do you think that once you start shopping somewhere if the business changes in ways that it no longer provides the services you expected youâre required to keep shopping there?
The local store in my community changed hands. They no longer sell the traditional kebler chocolate chip cookies i like. Now they sell the chewy variety which I donât like. Thereâs a few other items that I like that are no longer sold under the new management. I now rarely shop there, only in an emergency. I go to a different store now even though itâs less convenient. Thatâs a true story, not made up for this thread.
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just because a majority of the people who want LFD are on the forums, doesnt mean 90% of the community actually wants it. The LFD community is the like the dual spec group, Very loud and obnoxious. Its not actually wanted, but it appears to be wanted because of all the repetitive posts and lack of moderation on blizzard. You guys are the loudest on the forums thats all.
Iâm on a mega server. After speaking with a bunch of other officers in other guilds, their general consensus is that players really donât care about LFD as it doesnât impact them very much. The common theme? They feel bad for the low pop realms. But thatâs really about it.
This is the real reason for opposing LFD. The boosters donât want to lose their market.
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Hop off the train. Stay in TBC/Classic.
I disagree strongly that dual spec is a significant change, which could be why you think my view on people opposed to similar changes is extreme.
Basically a middle ground between Guilds and Custom Chat Channels. A UI similar to guilds, but youâre not locked to a singular one.
True, my apologies. Itâs pretty common sentiment in every single thread throughout Classic/TBC asking for things like Dual Spec/LFD, though.
The issue is the game devs having little to no respect for players time, not one of self-respect personally. From things like basic flying being 60% rather than at least 100%, blitzing through the expansion + arena seasons, and the CoT teleport not being in Shatt from the start; it just pads online time without actually increasing participation or enjoyment.
The playing field should be more even in this regard. Leveling a rogue/warrior is currently a lot more time intensive than most other classes. At least in Wrath, as long as the current Devs donât decide to change it, most classes do even out in this regard.
And I, personally, have never seen the merit of it taking over 15 minutes to get to some dungeons.
How long is it until people realize that development doesnât seem to be dictated by post like counts?
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