Blizz knows that Social Media kinda played a role in killing socialization in MMO’s as well.
Not sure if this has been mentioned. But an easy way to fix dungeon finder imo.
Turn off instant teleportation.
Turn off vote to kick.
Make it so the player has to complete the dungeon first before able to queue for that specific dungeon in the dungeon finder.
And the big one. If ya don’t wanna use dungeon finder, then don’t use it. Run with your guild
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Classic is a new path? Then why didn’t we get game breaking changes in Classic Vanilla and Classic TBC? Where were the QOL changes to hybrids that everyone was asking for? Why didn’t talents get reworked and itemization fixed? Why didn’t honor get a complete buff in TBC Classic?
You’re the one with no logic here. The only path classic is going down is the wrong one.
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So couple of things here.
No reason to turn off teleport other than on PVP servers. They complain that it hinders what they call ‘world pvp’ (which doesnt’ exist anyway).
Vote kick is actually one of the best things about RDF…
I’m okay with requiring that at least the normal version of the dungeon be completed before you can RDF it. I don’t really see the point in this, but I’m not against it either.
100% agree. The ability to make your own groups and spend/waste time getting there is still completely do-able.
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Pretty sure the real reason for no LFD (RDF) is to slow down the leveling process.
I know, personally, I had planned to swap to Prot and just spam dungeons all day until 80. Then go back and do quests for the ‘bonus gold’ for being max level.
Most who are in raiding guilds knows exactly what I’m talking about. Most of us spent the entire first week in TBCC just running dungeons to power level and gear up.
…they don’t want to give the ENTIRE community that.
Like he said,
- Pro-LFD outnumbers the anit-LFG. Same goes for simple LIKES on those threads. Some have over 100 likes.
- There have been 2-3 big surveys on reddit with thousands of responses and the vast majority have stated they support RDF addition.
On top of that, I recall seeing a thread right before TBCC launched where nearly half have selected they’d actually want to see RDF in TBCC as a custom change.
That’s very dull statement. Like, if we don’t like Starbuck’s coffee, its our fault as a customer. No. It’s not. It’s their inability to understand what their primary customer demographic wants.
Sorry to say, but the whole #NoChanges movement has died years ago. Like 2 months into Classic it was already dead. Everyone quickly learned how dumb Classic was and how easy it was.
I’m yet to meet a single person who gets a kick out of refreshing LFG addon every 5 seconds trying to snipe an invite.
Again, another very very dull statement.
I hate traffic. No one likes sitting in their cars. Do you like sitting in a traffic jam for 2 hours on your way home from work, and you live 30 miles away? Well, by your logic, you should stop driving. tHeRe iS aLwAyS a biCycLe. Go walk 30 miles mate. Or good luck walking at least 5 miles.
Now, will a lot of people quit for good? - Probably not.
But I can guarantee that overall play time for A LOT of people is going to go down drastically. And at the end of the day, it will hurt you and Blizzard more than it will hurt me. Because I will be playing Cities Skylines and be happier than scrlling through endless boost sales flooding lfg channel, along with GDKP runs.
I’m sorry your boosting RMT business will go down if RDF comes out.
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If you don’t know, you don’t know… But forums and social media platforms are just about the most utterly biased places you could ever possibly get polling data from. People mostly come to the forums when they have something to say, and that’s usually to say they disagree with something that happened. Someone who is deeply upset about something is far more likely to feel the ‘call to action’ to speak their mind than someone who is satisfied is to say “Thank you”. “Thank you Blizzard” threads absolutely do exist, but they are absurdly outnumbered by the people who are angry at Blizzard at any given time during the controversy.
People on forums don’t represent the general population anyway. We represent the small number of people who care enough about discussion (an overwhelming amount of which is arguing over controversial topics) to actually seek it out. Most people here have a very strong opinion and we look at most topics as being divisive. The average Battle net user isn’t like that at all. Therefore, the only way to accurately poll the playerbase is to ask them a question in a place that it central to all of the people who play WoW. Either polling through the Battle net client or by e-mailing surveys to people, which we already know Blizzard does all the time.
People on forums are real people and they’re definitely a part of the community, but they don’t represent everyone nearly well enough to glean what the entire playerbase wants. They said this decision was made based on player feedback and I’m inclined to believe that the people in Blizzard’s offices know a LOT better than some tiny sample size poll taken in a poisoned well.
Not exactly sure what you mean by that…
That’s the thing though – Classic isn’t for Blizzard’s “primary customer demographic”. The whole reason why Classic exists is because, despite all of the money they’ve made going down the path of Retail, an enormous number of us wanted nothing to do with it. A portion of the community was sick of the cash shop, the instantly teleporting to dungeons and raids, the raid finder difficulty, the mountains of busy work dailies, the complete loss of server identity and just missing the general satisfaction that WoW used to give them. So much that they hosted private realms over the span of a decade.
Activision was never willing to roll back all of the stuff they added to WoW in the name of “accessibility” because it was astronomically more profitable, so they kept saying no. That is, until the number of people who wanted “Gameplay First” again grew to such a critical mass that Activision could see a lot of potential profits in appeasing them.
Make no mistake, Classic is absolutely NOT meant for Blizzard’s general demographic. If it was, we never would’ve needed it in the first place because everyone would’ve stopped paying money for WoW once it became a sterile, soulless content treadmill.
TL;DR:
They understand their primary customer demographic very well. And that’s why Retail is what it is. The average player is more casual, which is why the casual player has been the primary beneficiary of nearly every single significant change to WoW since Activision merged with Blizzard’s parent company in 2008. Classic is not for Blizzard’s average player.
It’s funny you should say that, because one of the things I’m particularly known for among my friends and family is that my hatred for traffic is absolute. I understand why you’re comparing this situation to traffic, but you’re actually inadvertently making an argument against yourself. I hate traffic because I need to use the road to get to my job and to go to the store so I can eat. Using the roads isn’t an optional ordeal. I have NO other choice but to deal with traffic in many areas of my life.
No one needs to play WoW. It is 100% elective (except maybe for WoW streamers whose job it is to play WoW). You’re comparing a pastime with a necessity. When there’s something I want (not need, but want ) to do that requires driving, I will:
- Do it when there isn’t traffic (in the middle of the night)
- I’ll just deal with the traffic if I want to do the thing badly enough that it’s worth it
or - I just won’t do it at all because it’s not worth sitting in traffic
This is an absolutely optional situation. If you look at travel distance in a video game the same way you do at traffic on the roads, then you seriously need to evaluate whether this pastime is worth it for you, because at the end of the day, your pastimes should be fun for you. If you start playing a video game and realize that it’s not fun for you, why wouldn’t you move on and try a different one that is?
Honestly, if I’ve said something that offended you, I didn’t mean to. Accusing me of being a boost seller isn’t adding anything of value to this conversation. If anything, it will only guarantee that this discussion will end bitterly.
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You’ll find that Retail is a very welcoming place for you. Try it out!
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Actually as someone who played vanilla through legion this statement is just stupid. What Retail is at the moment is the entire reason I stopped playing 2 xpacs ago so I don’t see how just because it has LFD that it’s welcoming? That seems like you’re desperately grasping at straws there
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If you can’t spend time playing video games, that’s not Blizzard’s fault. And it’s certainly not the fault of the many people whose experience would be tarnished by the early implementation of dungeon finder.
Oh but it’s okay if other players experiences get tarnished by the removal of a QoL feature that was in WotLK regardless of when it came out in that xpac just because you don’t want to play server eras meant for those players such as Classic Era servers or SoM? So they have to suffer while you get the best of both worlds? Sounds a bit hypocritical there to me
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I’m pointing out that if dungeon finder is absolutely necessary for someone to enjoy the game, it’s not a stretch to assume that the content itself is of secondary importance to them. Especially since dungeon finder would be absent for at least two thirds of the content if we’re to expect a faithful recreation of the experience (which was the whole point of Classic to begin with).
I wouldn’t complain if they implemented dungeon finder when ICC releases. The only thing I can expect of Blizzard is to make good on their claims of wanting to offer an experience that’s authentic to the original article.
That being said, I’ve pointed out that dungeon finder in Wrath Classic was only ever a ‘maybe’ at best. They certainly could implement it during the ICC phase, but at the end of the day, that doesn’t seem like a good decision for the Classic “brand”.
I hope they never implement dungeon finder in any Classic era (including Cataclysm and beyond) unless it’s on a special ‘Retail-like’ realm sometime down the line. It’s no secret that people generally view the end of Wrath as being the beginning of WoW’s descent into what we now call Retail. Ever since Vanilla Classic was announced, I figured that this could probably only go one of two ways (if they weren’t straight up lying about authenticity):
- They keep rereleasing all of WoW’s content through the years and eventually make all of it playable again. The content will have roughly the exact same features and systems as the expansion of the game they’re based on.
OR - They release roughly ‘authentic’ recreations of all the content from Vanilla to Wrath and then they begin to “correct the wrongs” that led WoW down the path to Retail by releasing post-Wrath content, but removing the destructive influence that had seeped in once Blizzard merged with Activision.
Classic exists because a lot of people (enough that Activision Blizzard couldn’t ignore the potential profits) dislike Retail and wished to experience older versions of the game. If the WoW team keeps all of the content exactly as it was, then a lot of the interest in Classic will likely taper off as the expansions come out. After all, the further into WoW’s eras we go, the more and more it becomes the Retail we know today. From a business standpoint, it doesn’t seem to make much sense to just redistribute the Retail playerbase across multiple versions of the game instead of keeping them entirely separate.
Blizzard needs to just drop Wrath 3.3.5.
No phases.
The fact that you think a Cata classic would happen is hysterical because Classic realms were realistically always going to WotLK and everyone knows that it wont survive a Cata Classic with sub loss after WotLK, also it’s no secret that it was Cata with LFR that started the descent into what Retail is today by being the guild killer, not WotLK with LFD lmfao and yes I played WotLK back at launch and through its entirety. In fact the whole argument about LFD killing the community is bull frankly because the community died way back near the end of Classic when Boosts first starting to appear, or how about when they did HvH BGs and completely killed the alliance PvP community with the small exception of a few megaserver pvp servers along with taking away our communities pre-made groups all because people are min-maxing in a way that was never in Vanilla or TB originally, also Classic exists for EVERYONE not just a certain player group, because like I said before I quit in legion and came back for Classic, I was actually #nochanges for both wow classic and tbc classic, and once again I’m #nochanges because it’s not fair to the Wrath players who wanted it, it’s not fair to the people who wanted to see what Wrath is like with it, and it’s also not fair that the players like us got our 2 xpacs and now we’re kind of stealing the xpac that others (myself included) have waited through 4 years of Classic just to get ripped off months before, so as you keep telling people that if they don’t like it to go play Retail, well since you don’t like LFD why don’t you go play Classic era servers or SoM servers? Those are the servers meant for people who still want that “community” because from where I sit, using an addon called LFG bulletin board, watching boosters spam chat faster then you can read, the fact no one levels 15-60 unless it’s by boosting this meaning literally no level dungeon groups are formed ever, when I do go into a dungeon there is zero communication even when I try often to talk to my group (I’m a tank/healer that doesn’t charge for dungeons because I enjoy 5 man content the most) while being on an alliance server with around a 5k pop last I looked and I can tell you with an absolute certainty that there is nothing of this “community” left, Perhaps there is on the Megaservers but as I’m on a PvE realm and a vast majority of megaservers are on PvP realms I probably won’t see it again since I can’t xfer to a pvp realm from a normal one. Oh man and through this ranting I didn’t even remember to mention GDKPs and how they’ve screwed up this “community” you all seem so desperate to defend because there are almost absolutely zero alt runs going on, people just buy the alt gear now. Also from a business standpoint it doesn’t make sense to alienate anyone who would’ve came back for WotLK that wasn’t subbed for Classic or TBC that won’t be coming back now because of no LFD thus increasing subs and profits compared this “redistribution of retail playerbase” that you speak of, because I for one along with many others haven’t been a Retail player in years, and myself and others who came to Classic specifically for WoTLK classic and patentently waited for OUR turn are now getting screwed over when you’ve already had your turn in Classic Era Servers, then again in TBC Classic Servers, then yet AGAIN on SoM servers, so other players can’t have a turn in getting what they want because it “kills” your imaginary made up community that hasn’t been around since the start of p2 in TBC
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LFD changed the game forever, and maybe you view it in a positive or negative way, but regardless, it changed the way we all play the game, period. Nowadays bulletin board is just a poorly organized and exploited version of LFD, and I’d rather just have the original that we all played with. If Blizzard is so focused on creating the “social aspect”, then why not let people queue for different types of runs? You can have a separate queue for speed runs and casual runs, that’s really all it would take to clean up a lot of the issues that exist in the one size fits all version of LFD Blizz has always ran with.
BRING BACK RDF, or at least give us something that can emulate the experience without leaving everyone exposed to the toxic time sink that the bulletin board is. Try to get a dungeon group on a DPS toon on a medium pop TBC server, seriously log in and go do it, and tell me I’m wrong. I am seriously reconsidering my interest in Wrath with this announcement, and that is really bumming me out 
Wouldn’t that mean its the preferred system for doing dungeons and you’re just upset that everyone else doesn’t agree with you’re methods.
Vanilla era realms suit your play style, go check it out!
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It’s easily the lowest-quality of the first 4 states of the game, but I personally enjoyed Cataclysm and I’d play a Classic version of it.
I have the feeling that there would be plenty enough people interested in playing it that it would be worth releasing. Even if it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of interest in a Cataclysm Classic, it might still be worth giving a try just to see whether Classic beyond Wrath is even possible.
Besides, as I stated, if they keep releasing new Classic versions of more WoW eras while undoing Activision’s missteps, it would definitely be something that many people would want to check out.
Dungeon finder certainly isn’t typically cited as being the most pivotal change that led to Retail, but it’s virtually impossible to have a conversation about the transition from “Gameplay First” to Retail without it coming up as one of the many significant reasons for it.
I’d also like to point out that raid finder is literally the same concept as dungeon finder, just with some added stuff. That’s one of the big reasons why they both have the same naming convention.
I don’t think anyone is saying that dungeon finder single-handedly killed WoW. They’d be very wrong about that.
I agree, those were both horrible decisions that never should’ve happened. I hope both of those decisions are undone, though I doubt they will be.
Classic wasn’t made for the people who want Retail. It’s there for anyone who wants to play it, but literally the only reason it was ever made is because there was an overwhelming number of people who demanded it, and it was because they were driven away from Retail by Activision’s greed and drawn to Legacy because of Blizzard’s old “Gameplay First” motto.
Two things:
- We’ve seen that no changes leads to a totally different experience than the original game. There will always be certain things about peoples’ playstyles and habits that will be different, but the world buff meta made it impossible to enjoy Vanilla the way they wanted us to. The Drums of War meta would’ve done the exact same thing if Blizzard hadn’t made changes. Classic is all about having a similar experience, so the game must be retrofitted to compensate for game-breaking playstyles that players have developed during the private realm years.
- I’ll keep saying it – If you don’t want any changes, then you’d want dungeon finder to be implemented in the ICC phase. I wouldn’t like it, but I also wouldn’t complain about it because it was a part of the original experience.
I’ll do that. If you care more about Wrath itself than dungeon finder, then you should still be able to have a very fun experience with it. If you can’t have fun with it, then dungeon finder is obviously the specific thing you need in a game, then Retail is absolutely what you should be playing.
No, I think I’ll just play Wrath with no dungeon finder and be perfectly happy.
Why don’t you just filter the spam? O.o Check out the addon “Global Ignore List”. It gives you unlimited ignore slots, they’re account-wide and you can even set notes. I add every single boost spammer to that ignore list and even playing on Grobbulus, I probably only see people spamming for dungeon carries a few times an hour.
You can also set the addon to auto-ignore based on custom filters so you don’t even need to do it manually. If you use the addon to ignore people, their spam doesn’t show up in LFG Bulletin Board.
Alright. That’s purely untrue. Name me the realm you’re on and I’ll go check this myself.
No, I dislike GDKPs too. I wouldn’t mind them nearly as much if they weren’t funded by dirty botter gold, but I’d agree that they’re bad for the experience.
Again, if people won’t play Wrath without dungeon finder, they were never really interested in playing Wrath in the first place. OR they unfortunately just have like no time to play video games.
If Wrath launched with dungeon finder, I’d be very disappointed, but I wouldn’t straight up quit. I love Wrath and I’d still manage to enjoy it even if they did something that made the experience worse. Just the same way that I’ve managed to enjoy Classic in spite of dungeon carries, GDKPs, paid level boosts, the ugly store mount, etc.
I’m not sure what’s worse, the fact that you’re pretending to know me when you clearly don’t have a clue, or the fact that you COULD have a clue if you read any of my posts, but you haven’t. xD
Wrath is my favorite experience in WoW by a massive longshot. I’ve been thrilled to play Vanilla and TBC (they’ve both been my main games since rerelease), I’ve really been waiting for Wrath.
Alright dude. You seem incredibly upset. Maybe you should take a break from the forums if you can’t talk to me without being a dick. 
Nothing about my perspective is imaginary or made up. I’ve given well thought-out reasoning for everything I’ve said and I haven’t insulted you or put words in your mouth once.
If you can’t cope with people having a different opinion than you, I don’t know why you bother to come to these forums at all, especially to die on a hill where the decision has already been made. I could’ve sat here mocking you this entire time like most people here do, but I think I’ve been quite friendly and shown you more than enough reciprocity to expect you not to accuse me of having an ‘imaginary’ sense of community.
I laugh at how the idea of #noChanges in Vanilla/TBC classic went out the window for Wrath when we were about to get most of the changes we wanted, i.e. the ones that came in Wrath. Aside from cosmetic things from later expansions, like the newer character models, and transmog, this is the expansion that brought in the things I liked the most. Now Blizzard wants to #someChanges away LFD and possibly alter dual spec.
It’s like they forgot that a sh!t load (we’ve seen the polls) of people were asking for at least dual spec in TBC. I personally wouldn’t mind LFD in TBC. I would’ve liked it if Druid got Revive in Vanilla and/or TBC as a change, but I was looking forward to ALL of these things in Wrath. Druid gets Revive in Wrath btw.
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Consensus never proved anything.
Westfall server, been trying to get a group on a level 19 shaman to prep for WotLK, not a single group for deadlines during the hours I’ve been online trying to level, so go ahead and check yourself, also saying you haven’t insulted me you literally just called me a liar for stating the fact that on my Server you can’t find any leveling groups because as I’ve stated in a previous post, I don’t play on a Megaserver, my servers population is literally 4.7k, also why should I have to download an addon just to filter chat? That’s not the Classic experience at all regardless of expansion so that’s not even a valid argument because players shouldn’t be forced to use an addon especially for something like that so I think you may have completely missed my point on that, also I wasn’t trying to act like I know you personally, I was using the words you’re/you not just for you specifically but for anyone reading my post that the description fit to, so allow me to apologize for offending you that was never my intention, also as for what you said about the drums of war and world buffs, in all honesty that only really ruined it for the hardcore min-max players, I myself even if those changes never came wouldn’t have been effect by either regardless so I’d have to disagree with you on the MUST be retrofitted to fix those issues because in the end they’re not really game breaking, only game breaking if you allowed others to force that playstyle onto you, which if you ask me is a toxic min-max behavior. Also I’d totally be down to wait for it to come out at ICC, not once did I ever say I wouldn’t be. But like you stated not EVERYONE has the time to play, WotLK was also my favorite time in the entire history of WoW with the exceptions of the two xpacs I haven’t played, but with the fact you just stated yourself that not everyone has the time to play WotLK without a dungeon finder to get through the 5 man’s, so because of that those players just shouldn’t matter? I’m not seeing the logic behind that or how that’s fair to a good percent of players.
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@Aurumai
The proof was the many posts in this forum of people upset with Blizz’s removal of the LFD tool. Blizz removed all those posts and muted us for 3 days but they left the posts that support the removal (go figure). They say that this is a consensus but there has been no player poll to ascertain that. There was a minority of crybabies b*ing about it destroying the community so blizz took it down because they don’t realize that players would rather play a different game than spam LFG for hours to no avail. Blizzard’s stance on this without solid facts from a player poll that it is something that the majority of players want tells me that they’re just wanting to sell more level 70 boosts and, if the LFD tool was implemented, they wouldn’t sell as many.
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Can you stop reposting the same thread over and over pls