Well considering that the night elves haven’t had a victory in WoW yet and they refused to even give us that 1 victory line, I’m not getting my hopes up for anything. In fact, they’re also very ahead of us with the lore and they just told us that we got our revenge in 8.1 (which apparently I missed because 8.1 was the complete opposite.)
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Lets see, You burned an entire Troll village. Turned a troll into a blubbering mass of hysteria in tides of vengence(not to mention killed his entire platoon). Tyrande and the night elves killed Ysera when she got corrupted, Malfurion and Tyrande saved the world from the nightmare and saved Shandis in their short story. Honestly, the night elves have gotten some victories and probably even more than some other Alliance races.
This also ignores all the victories the night elves got during the war of the ancients and Warcraft 3.
No victories against the horde, then. Those that did more harm to them than any other threat could ever do.
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The shatterspear were joining/allied with the Horde. You killed one of Sylvanas Val’kyr and are now chasing her and Nathanos. Not to mention it was Tyrande who broke the gates of Ogrimmar and helped the Alliance/Horde defeat Garrosh.
And yet we haven’t landed a single blow on the horde. The Val’kyr was absolutely irrelevant. They didn’t even let us kill defeat Nathanos, what makes you think that they’ll let us defeat both Nathanos and Sylvanas? The writers themselves are basically Nathanos and Sylvanas while they see the Night Elves as their enemies that they want on the ground.
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I miss those guys. Even back when I mained a night elf I used to love taking the flight path over their village and seeing them dancing about and having a grand ol’ time.
Ah, memories… Poor trolls. They just wanted to dance.
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Thats a lot of tell and a whole lot of no show .
Hey Zerde did you know that being told you’rereally amzing doesn’treally have any weight when the person telling you that is constantly showing you doing nothing lossing?
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You were shown burning that entire Troll village. The player did that.
You were shown that troll turning into a blubbering mass of hysteria. it was in a cinematic.
You were shown Ysera being killed when she got corrupted. Again, it was a player encounter.
Hell, I’d even argue that events that happen in short stories are shown to the player, since you read about them happening in detail rather than get told about them happening briefly.
So, since you’re wrong on every point and Zerde, for all his flaws, clearly went out of his ways to pick examples that the Night Elf players are shown, and not told about, I have to wonder. When did “Show don’t tell” become the “Horde bias” of this forum?
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How exactly is this a positive again?
And I’d counter argue that it’s entirely subjective. None of the events from the books are ever represented in the world when I’m logged in. The War of Thorns isn’t even presented the same way as it is in A Good War.
So no. I’m not wrong just because some random Horde agreeing with Zerde said so.
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I think you need to be more precise. Those were blows landed on the Horde. They weren’t the blows you wanted to land on the Horde. Heck, they aren’t really the blows I would have wanted to land on the Horde. However, we should distinguish between “We never got X” and “I don’t like how Blizzard did X”.
I am going to suggest that a lot of the angst here goes back to the end of MoP, where Blizzard didn’t put in any phasing to show that the Night Elves had retaken Ashenvale and instead left it in its Cataclysm state with Maestra’s Post under a state of constant siege, and Silverwind Refuge still a charnel pit of Night Elf corpses. As I recall when questioned, Blizz somewhere in a tweet said that yes, the Night Elves had Ashenvale back, but it wasn’t worth the resources to show the Night Elves dancing under their trees. I assume that the fear here is that no matter what we are told has happened, e.g. the Night Elves get Darkshore and Ashenvale back, it won’t be reflected in the game and Darkshore will remain in a state of perpetual warfare.
To be clear - the same problem also applies to the Forsaken - Blizz may similarly claim that the Forsaken have retaken Undercity (or been given it back by Anduin as a gift to Queen Calia [ugghhh]), but then fail to actually phase it properly beyond sticking the new Forsaken leader in the spot Sylvanas stood.
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Thing is, we didn’t even got told that we reclaimed it. As the lore and game mechanics reflect it currently, Darkshore and Ashenvale are horde territory and 8.3 hints that the night elves left these lands.
There also doesn’t seem to be any hints of the night elves getting them back since Anduin couldn’t care less about it.
Given how Blizz has treated the night elves in the past, it’s also very likely that they will be left with nothing. Also, technically the night elves never reclaimed Ashenvale, the horde just retreated from it as part of the deal that they would be given Azshara after the horde was defeated.
We have seen how well the horde can keep their parts of a deal, though.
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You misunderstood my post. I didn’t say that it had happened. I suggested that the fear was that it would happen - i.e. we would be told, but not shown.
It shows the night elves are willing to do the hard things if meants protecting what they love. Take it another way, somehow Theramore and the events of MoP are human bias even though the entire chain of events were tragic for the human characters(and many Alliance)
The most interesting part of Tyrande’s dialogue is this below.
Shandris: You are dearest to my heart, Tyrande. I beg you, let go of the Black Moon’s rage and embrace the mother’s light once again. I could not bear to lose you to darkness.
Tyrande: Know this. My hunger for vengeance will not be sated so long as Sylvanas Windrunner remains free–and until I know why Elune abandoned her children.
Shandris: Tyrande! Do not say such--
She’s starting to sound a lot like Sira and Daerlyn these days. This also brings up interesting questions about what the Black Moon actually represents. Maybe there’s a very good reason the Night Warrior ritual destroys almost everyone who attempts it.
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More doing 'drassil diving with rocket boots and a slowfall spell. First time I saw them, total accident, I just flew right into the village.
If you’d like to request we change the topic to whether these are good or bad things, I’m receptive to that. But if you will think back to just one post ago
You’ll see that you claimed these examples were them “telling and not showing.”
Since you’ve now been shown to be wrong on that point, either you can concede that you were mistaken and address why you’re really complaining, or you can try and refute the simple fact that every example Zerde gave was shown.
Or, I guess you can just start calling me names and hope that nobody notices. Might work, alot of people willing to ignore common sense when you draw a line between “us” and “them.”
I wonder if they are going to the “my faith has been shaken” well too much relating to Night Elves. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure neither Sira or Delaryn are going to make it out of Darkshore alive so by next expansion Tyrande can be the only Night Elf who thinks Elune abandoned them.
If they’re going to redress things for Horde players by having an an Alliance leader go permanently off the reservation, Tyrande is the most logical choice. Plus she’s an elf and it seems that every elven leader in history is destined to go the Evil Whacko route… especially if female. Then after her, it’s Aleria’s turn.
I really don’t think they’re going to do that. For one, Tyrande isn’t a character that the Horde playerbase really want to kill. Two, that would make her literally the first Alliance leader set up to be a villain for Horde story, which is another way of saying, Blizzard just doesn’t do that. No, I think Tyrande going cuckoo for Horde blood probably is a stance adopted for the benefit of Alliance players, who will be losing their resident lady-war monger with Jaina’s next mood swing.
Then again there is that. But every faction leader that has turned evil and been killed as turned evil and then been killed by the Horde and Alliance setting aside their differences and working together.
Speak for yourself. back in the days of the PVP acheivement craze, Tyrande was the preferred target because practically no Alliance player was willing to bother to defend Darnassus. When the Exodar was added, Valen would also share this dubious honor.