What’s the logic there? She’s former Alliance just as Arthas was.
Shouldn’t we lay her sins at our feet, too?
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Andiun is a dumbo and should faction change.
More news at 11
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Arthas is more symptomatic of the Alliance Race issue. They don’t do evil crap directly, but they do have a tendency of just sort ignoring one of their own racial problems till it spins WILDLY out of control and becomes a WORLD problem (or a universe problem).
The Draenei and the Eradar. The Kaldorei and Azshara. The Humans and Arthas. These three at one point RACIAL problems, were allowed to fester and grow into a WORLD problem. The first became part of an intergalactic WORLD ending force (with TWO of Velen’s peers serving in top leadership positions). The second became such a HUGE sociopathic issue that it took blowing up 80 percent of the Landmass of Azeroth to stop her. The Final … well to say Arthas is a Kingdom Ender would be an understatement (the guy actually HAS succeeded in full genocides).
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Yeah that comment from Anduin will always be the biggest WTF moment for 8.2.5 lol
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I don’t understand Anduin’s deal.
Arthas? I mean, Arthas wasn’t really the Alliance’s fault.
Daelin? Daelin thought he was doing what was right against an enemy he was all but recently at war with. He wasn’t even apart of the Alliance during that.
Is he trying to blame the sins of humanity as the sins of the Alliance? Most of the Horde’s misdeeds were done as ‘The Horde’, a political entity, not ‘The Orcs, the people of Draenor’.
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More than that though. One could claim that Arthas creates Sylvanas, so she’s even more of an Alliance issue that way since we’re responsible for Arthas in the first place apparently.
He does owe us one or two lies if he’s going to be the boy king at the Master’s table
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Quel’thelas was never as staunch an Alliance nation as Lordaeron or Kul Tiras. I’d like to know why he thinks Arthas was as heavy an Alliance sin considering that the Alliance was outright trying to stop him and ended up being amongst his heaviest casualties.
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So you’re calling Anduin a racist that doesn’t consider Elves true members of the Alliance?
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Tea! Fight back against Alliance bigotry today!
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No, not at all. I don’t think there’s such a thing as a “true Alliance.”
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News: Grandblade confirms Human supremacist Alliance!
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Arthas kill alot of people in the city of startholme to try to stop the spread of the plague. That along with killing the mercs who help him burn his ships. Those are basicly his evil acts.
Anything he did after taking up frostmourne after it took his soul can not be blame on the alliance.
He gets his clothes back and now he’s acting brand new. Sad!
Don’t get me wrong, I love elves and it’d be cool if Quel’thelas came back (even though I know that’d be unfair to the Horde, and I’m okay with the current state of things). But to my knowledge, Quel’thelas’s allegiance with the Alliance was looser than that of the Seven Kingdoms. Correct me if I’m incorrect though.
I don’t think this was an act of evil. Horrific? Yes. But he didn’t do it out of hatred - he did it because there was no way to possibly confirm the spread of the plague. It was an EXTREMELY unfortunate necessity at the time.
Yes, this one was pretty evil. More individual, but I will give it as an Alliance sin for the sake of the argument.
I’m definitely not above crying.
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True arthas at the end of the day did what he did to try to save his people and he paid the price.
As for the high elves despite what people say they only help the alliance cause of a blood oath at first and barely sent anything at first it was only when one of there enemies join the horde and made a push into there lands did they support the alloancey fully. Even then after the war they left as quick as they could.
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Yeah, that’s largely what my intentions were. Quel’thelas was never as heavily immersed in the Alliance as Lordaeron (Arthas) and Kul Tiras (Daelin), so Anduin pinning the sins of Sylvanas on the Alliance wouldn’t have really made sense - especially since the majority of her sins were during her tenure in the Horde.
This is less to do with the High Elves and more to do with Sylvanas being a member of the Alliance at the time she became a monster by Arthas’ hand.
Well, I mean… she wasn’t really a monster at that time. During Warcraft III, Sylvanas was someone combatting the Scourge, even if she was doing it out of revenge rather than altruism. Her slow decline into villainy occurred while she was a member of the Horde.
Sylvanas was also distanced from Quel’thelas until their acceptance into the Horde. Compound that with the kingdom’s loose affiliations with the Alliance at the time, and it adds up to Sylvanas really not being affiliated with the Alliance at the time of her rising, monster or no.
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You can really tell how ‘one sided’ the moral meter is if they had to use that one as a bad thing the ‘alliance’ did.
Like holy … are you serious. They really had to stretch that far? /giggles.
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