Arthas wasn’t even a part of the Alliance when he committed the majority of his crimes. He was a full on Scourge agent after he returned from Northrend. Anduin’s logic is “Human=Alliance”, and if that’s how it works then the entirety of the Scourge is the Horde’s fault since Ner’zhul was an orc. BUT WAIT WE CAN GO DEEPER. The Horde itself is the Alliance’s fault since it was created by Gul’dan working as a proxy of Kil’Jaeden, an Eredar (Draenei). Therefore everything bad that has ever happened is retroactively the Alliance’s fault starting with TBC when the Draenei became Alliance.
Garithos would have made more sense to mention (since he was actually part of the Alliance), but he didn’t do much besides try to exterminate some elves (a laudable goal as we all know).
Daelin was part of the Alliance during the Invasion of Durotar. His death and the lack of retribution from the other nations is why Kul’Tiras withdrew from the Alliance.
If, canonically, we’re to blame for Arthas, and most of his shenanigans were when he wasn’t part of the Alliance, then I fail to see why Sylvanas isn’t our bad, too.
I always find it funny that everything the Scourge ever did is laid at the feet of Arthas. Its not like Ner’zul the original lich king ever did anything bad right? I mean by the time Arthas became the Lich king we were just entering WOW.
Anduin is just an Idiot who wants to try make the alliance seem as edgy and cool as the Horde. he Just was Senpai Saurfang to notice him.
It was a pretty pathetic ‘the Alliance does bad things too’ moment, particularly when you consider that both major moments that relate to the Alliance happen prior to WoW and in both cases the Alliance doesn’t continue following them after they have gone of the rails.
It does explain Ion’s rather laughable ‘the Alliance does bad things too’ comments in the past if that is how they are judging balance. It makes very little sense to me.
He needed to say something to… Oh, I don’t actually know why he needed to say anything to that. It was diplomatic I guess? It beat saying “Yeah, you guys kinda suck and have been responsible for nothing but misery.”
I’m getting the feeling like the expansion’s theme is “Everyone sucks, but we suck together, for Azeroth!” and they’re not going to let little things like history, their own lore, and reality get in the way of that.
They mildly tried to stop him at Lordaeron, as for the heaviest casualties multiple wow sources state it was without a doubt the Elves of Quel’Thalas (Now most primarily known as the Sin’Dorei) and the Narubians that suffered the heaviest casualties.
As for ‘outright trying to stop him’ Quel’Thalas requested aid from the Alliance and the Alliance Outright - Refused. Which is why they (Quel’Thalas) severed their connection to the Alliance – as they considered themselves to be abandoned in their utmost Darkest hour where over 90% of their population was culled, raised into Undeath and had their most beloved nobles souls claimed by Frostmourne.
I mean one could lay blame to the Alliance for Arthas in relation for the culling of Stratholme / Lordaeron sure, after that though I feel it would be well established he was bat-guano cray-cray and clearly not represent the Alliance.
As for Daelin, he had absolute reason for persuing what he believed and I don’t see how that was a ‘sin of the Alliance’. I feel a better example Anduin could had provided & used would had been ‘Archbishop Benedictus’ The Twilight Father; but even so like many have stated, sure the Alliance aren’t perfect but Anduin still doesn’t hold a budge to the barrier in regards towards the total actions that have incurred from, within, or in result from the Horde.
How many time must this falsehood be corrected. He was a member of the Alliance at that time, hence why Kul Tiras left in the first place, because the Alliance would not retaliate for what he did.
I honestly think people want to misinterpret the entire thing. It was not about blame or sin! It was about REGRETS, things we wish we could do differently, things we wish did or did not happen but have no choice but to accept they did and move forward.
“The ghost of the past haunt us as well”, how many time has Daelin and Arthas been mentioned on these very forums whenever anyone wants to mention how the Alliance are imperfect/should not have the moral highground? The only reason Garithos was not mention was because I doubt most of the Alliance know exactly what happened with him and the blood elves considering, you know Sylvanas killed him.
Not at all, we go along WITH our Racial Problems till they finally backfire on us lol! Those problems can be an issue for the World all they want until then.
It is not that the Alliance ignores them so much as they cant do anything directly about them.
The Eredar were part of a near indestructible crusade rampaging though the galaxy, the most the draenei could do was run with only the lightforge managing to slow them do. Most people did not know about the Naga until Illidan came back and even then if they wanted to do something Azshara was hidden under the waves. Lastly, most of the Alliance had their own problems to deal with in Vanilla hence it took a while to organize an actual fighting forces to deal with the Lich King. And even during Vanilla it was sending forces to try and weaken the Lich King’s forces in the Former lands of Lordearon.
