I wonder what Baine thought of Saurfang’s “honorable” poisoning all of Ashenvale. Although even if he found it horrific, we know Baine would just “wait and see”, and maybe send a letter with some of his chest hair to Anduin whining about it.
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Technically as its written the tauren have attacked before, but it also says that did not attack after Hawthorne let the civvies escape. Which makes no sense either.
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If Baine wasn’t ordered to provide troops, he wasn’t obligated to provide troops. Full stop. Doesn’t matter if the rest of the Horde was fighting in the Barrens, if Garrosh didn’t say “yours too” Baine is perfectly free to do as he likes.
2.1) You still haven’t addressed the evidence that some of the vigilantes were operating independently of the Horde. Like the one who “all but parted ways the Horde” according to that quest you linked.
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You are assuming Cairne would kill Magatha in cold blood as she pleaded for mercy. It is entirely possible Cairne would have chosen to banish her as well. You can’t prove otherwise. I’ll trust the beliefs of the guy who learned his values from Cairne and the intent of the author who wrote both fights.
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We’ve been going in circles for days. Neither of us is budging. Let’s just agree to disagree.
Are you talking about Baine?
Because he did not write Anduin about any of the Horde movements. According to BtS he never wrote to him about anything that could harm the Horde.
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No, he did secret reunions and wrote him with some plans of the horde, even Sylvanas threated him to use these letters against him and Baine agree to cut all the communication because if his people get news about this, he will surely get overthrow
Nah, I’m still on Baine’s side. Baine is always striving for peace, even when the time for war is upon him, but I do not fault him for that, no one is perfect. I do believe, however, that he is reaching the point where he will realize there’s no way out, and it’s time to fight against Sylvanas.
Many people here don’t want Sylvanas to be Garrosh 2.0, not me. I complete want to tear her head off with Saurfang and Baine by my side…
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Then it simply makes no sense. It would also be absurd for it to state the same thing multiple times, that they didn’t attack and the something happened and then they didn’t attack.
Baine literally told the troops fighting directly under Bloodhilt, as well as the rest in the Barrens and Mulgore, not to fight, and when they continued to fight he exiled them. That is 100% disobeying Garrosh, whose appointed general clearly had the authority to lead the Tauren in combat in the Barrens. Baine was effectively trying to overrule the Warchief.
Individuals can operate independently of the Horde and still be loyal to it. Baine told them not to fight, but Stonespire and others went off on their own to do so anyway, which aligns with the Warchief’s intentions in the area. They may have been working on their own and against what Baine wanted, but they were in-line with the goals of Horde forces in the region.
It would be in contradiction with his stated motives and reasoning for killing Garrosh. So on the one hand we have Baine’s idea of what his father would do, and on the other we have Cairne’s own given ideals of what would heavily motivate him to kill someone, of which Magatha surpasses every criteria. I’ll take Cairne’s own words over Baine’s version of him in his head.
If that’s what you want, no problem.
Sylvanas did threaten him.
He did not give Anduin any of the Horde plans, or meet him in secret. Nor is there any mention of him being afraid he’ll be overthrown.
If Baine was going to be overthrown or kicked out of the Horde for being friendly with an Alliance leader it would have happened after Garrosh’s trial, when everyone in the Horde found out he warned Jaina about the attack on Theramore.
Just one more thing.
I stand by the agree to disagree on everything else.
I agree that Cairne would have wanted to kill Magatha. Just as Baine wanted to kill Magatha. I just don’t agree that he would have killed her after she yielded. At that point it would have just been a flat out murder.
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Wasn’t the purpose of Baine contacting Anduin in “BtS” so that he could tell him that they have to cease communications, until perhaps a time in the future when tensions are less heightened?
Sylvanas lowkey threatened the him and the tauren if he didn’t stop talking with Anduin, so he sent him a breakup letter.
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I agree that Cairne would have wanted to kill Magatha. Just as Baine wanted to kill Magatha. I just don’t agree that he would have killed her after she yielded. At that point it would have just been a flat out murder.
It would have been a justified punishment delivered for crimes committed against his people. I think based on what he says about Garrosh, about punishing his misdeeds and preventing his future evil actions, he would have killed Magatha regardless of her asking for mercy. As it is we have no examples of him ever sparing anyone anyway, and one example of him fully intending to kill someone with enthusiasm at being given the opportunity.
I feel like he was sending Anduin mixed messages. Baine enclosing one of his horns seemed to be saying “yours, forever”.
hahaha pretty cute, but thats forbidden love only way to make it work is if there is peace, hence anduin and baine pushing for peace, my man wrathion has to step up or else golden boy is going to choose 100% beef instead.
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