An Excellent Analysis Of Baine's Impotent Rage:

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From MMO-Champ ~http://tinyurl.com/y28dytwc

We see again and again Baine’s MOLTEN OUTRAGE at perceived injustices but he never dares take any action. He goes along with Garrosh’s orders because he is afraid. He gets angry over the loss of tauren lives but does nothing. Malkorok repeatedly harasses Baine and he refuses to do anything about it. Even when it looks like he is about to take action, he is immediately pacified by Anduin or cowed by Malkorok.

Baine’s cowardice is his only consistent trait. We see things play out in exactly the same way in BfA as in MoP. Baine hates Sylvanas’ orders but he goes along with them because he is scared. He is afraid to challenge Sylvanas to Mak’gora so he slinks behind her back. He gets cowed by Nathanos and lets Zelling be executed. I had hoped he would at least try to resist being arrested but he just threw a couple of snarky comments in Sylvanas’ direction. His cowardice is eventually going to get him in a bad spot when all Horde leaders lose any respect they might’ve had for him.

Baine on the Grimtotem:

“My heart says: They took from you, take from them. Take the Grimtotem who entered a peaceful city of their own kind in the dark of night, and who slew by smothering or stabbing victims too deep in slumber to fight back. Take their matriarch who placed poison on a blade instead of sacredly anointing it. Take the arrogant fool who dared fight my father and who could only win by stooping to—”
Baine was beginning to raise his voice, and the calmness in his eyes was slowly being replaced by anger. His hands tightened into fists the size of Anduin’s head, and his tail began to lash. Abruptly he halted in midsentence and took a deep breath.

Baine on confrontations:

Baine had had enough. The greedy, self-absorbed goblin’s quip about the blood of heroes and foes alike being spilled for profit pushed Baine’s anger past prudent silence.
“Garrosh!” he said. “There is none here who can say that I do not love the Horde. Nor any who can say that I do not honor your title.”
<Scuffle between Baine, Garrosh and Malkorok>
For what seemed an eternity, the Blackrock orc did not move. Baine had no desire for a confrontation—not here, not now. Attacking Garrosh, or this gray-skinned warrior who was clearly appointed specifically to defend him, would only further aggravate the young warchief and make him even more disinclined to listen to reason.

Baine on following orders:

Baine hated what he was about to do, but if he refused, Garrosh would turn on him —and the tauren—with the full force of the rest of the Horde behind him.

Baine on the welfare of his people:

Baine’s eyes flickered with fury ; then he growled low. “I have lost many braves today, obeying the warchief’s word. I have no desire to lose any more Horde lives needlessly.”

Baine on Mak’gora:

Baine felt as if his own core were molten with outrage. It was with the greatest of efforts that he had kept from exploding in anger when Malkorok had challenged him. He was not afraid Malkorok could defeat him—by all accounts, Cairne had been winning the battle against Garrosh, before Magatha’s poison had claimed him. Baine bore his father’s blood and he had youth on his side. No, he had declined because there was no way to truly win. Poison would be used again, but better hidden this time. Or even if he slew Malkorok, there would be an ambush waiting in the shadows. And then, what would happen to his people?

Baine on self-defense:

The deep, rough voice came from nowhere. At once Baine leaped to his hooves. The others assembled did likewise, many of them drawing weapons. But Baine recognized that voice and shouted, “Lay down your weapons! Lay them down!”

Baine’s limp wrists:

Baine grabbed Garrosh’s arm and whirled the orc about to face him. At that moment the Kor’kron surged forward, Malkorok in the forefront, but Garrosh shook his head before they could move to slice the angry tauren into so much meat.
Baine shoved a bloody piece of cloth into Garrosh’s face, growling furiously. This did get a reaction out of Garrosh, who snatched away the cloth and snarled at Baine.
“That, Garrosh, is the blood of a young tauren who died obeying your orders! Your commands! The commands that have left far too many stiffening in these muddy waters for no purpose!” shouted Baine. “It is a more fitting decoration than your tattoos, Garrosh!”
Malkorok was there, shoving the mighty bull so hard that Baine actually stumbled backward a step. Malkorok seized Baine’s wrists in his powerful warrior’s hands and started to twist, his missing fingers not hampering the strength of his grip. Garrosh had wiped his face clean of the bloody smears and now said, “Let him go, Malkorok.”
For a moment, it seemed as though the Blackrock orc would refuse the direct command. Then, his body visibly straining against it, he released Baine, spat on the ground, and stepped back.

Baine on the Horde:

Again Garrosh laughed, that inexplicable and inappropriate laughter that only threw fuel on the fire of Baine’s grief and fury . He thought again of those he had lost, to no real purpose other than to satisfy Garrosh’s ego. But before Baine could speak, Garrosh dropped the amused expression and drew himself up to his full height.
So engrossed in his pain and anger had Baine been that he hadn’t even noticed that they had had to shout to be heard above a whirring, buzzing noise.
So shocking was the sight that for an instant, Baine didn’t even know what he was looking at.
Did none of them see? Baine couldn’t understand it. So many, too many, seemed happy at beholding the dead city, crowded with corpses of people who had died in a horrible and painful fashion.

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You need to do the same for Andiun.
Equally frustrating.

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How can you say that? Anduin is a shining example of what men should be! (per Golden)

Baine on the other hand, still reeling from the humiliation of Malkorok squeezing his limp noodle wrists, grabbed Sylvanas by her arms to prove that he is still a big, strong bull. I’d say Baine is due for a detention in Anduin’s school of non-toxic masculinity if anything.

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/Yawn The writers clearly want me to hate Baine, but guess what? Its not working. I love Baine bro, and he deserves his time in the spotlight and I will pick him over Sylvanas, despite the writers best attempts to make him out to be “traitor”. It’s about sending them a damn message that no matter how “impotent” they write Baine, we the fans of Baine love him.

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Notice how the usual posters who call everything bait that isn’t sympathetic towards Sylvanas, believing the Horde has it bad in the story, hate Baine and Saurfang don’t call this thread bait.

Baine is cool. Baine for Warchief.

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Baine approves.

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Wait? Was this supposed to make me dislike Baine? Him realizing a worthless death in Mak’gora would certainly have far reaching consequences for his people (that he himself convinced to stay with the Horde)? Him showing empathy to even his opponents; people I remind you that actually gave him asylum and gold to help during the Grimtotem rebellion? Him showing RESTRAINT?! :open_mouth:

Man, how dare Baine have little reason to hate the Alliance, when the Tauren have no real reason to hate the Alliance (outside of their affiliation with the Horde). Doesn’t he know that the only way to be a good leader of the Horde is shape your entire identity around the Horde’s conflict with the Alliance? All those Allied Racial leaders should get on the hate-bus quick! My PvP immersion demands it. :smiley:

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This is part 1 of the post enjoy!

https:/www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2466736-Baine-s-big-achy-tauren-heart

Btw the curse of Baine is being the pet character of Golden, this is why Metzen probably didn’t wanted to re-integrate in the storyline if they are gonna make Thrall “non toxic masculinity” if you don’t believe me just search for Golden’s twitter

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Good stuff. 2 great quotes from Baine:

He lifted his muzzle to the sky, sharp, stinging tears filling his eyes , and, alone with his ancestors, shook his fists furiously and cried with all his confused and aching and angry heart , “Why?”

Ah Baine, you huge (words that would get me banned from the forum).

“Perhaps I am inclined to prejudge,” said Baine. “ I think better of the tauren than I do of orcs. ”

Of course, it goes without saying that he thinks even better of Humans, especially young blond ones…

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Was that from a book? I cracked up, it’s like an excerpt from his bad teenage musings on how much life is pain.

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Baine’s entire character is built on taking a moral high road instead of giving into base desires and impulsive violence. It’s a popular theme among all Tauren. That doesn’t need to change.

Most of the time his peaceful and measured approaches work in his favor, sometimes they create another issue. That’s ok. That means he isn’t a Mary Sue.

I’d like to see him be more effective, but because Garrosh and Sylvanas are/we’re more important to the narrative, Baine and all the other Horde racial leaders are pushed into a role of passivity until Blizzard tells us we can do something about our evil Warchiefs.

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Yes, Baine sobbing “And, alone with his ancestors, shook his fists furiously and cried with all his confused and aching and angry heart” is an exact quote from Tides of War.

Having 4 “ands” in a sentence so close together seems like iffy english to me, but what do I know, I’m not a professional writer like the people who brought us BFA.

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I always wondered where the he-ll-O blizzard gets this people to write plots for wow, even the guys of Swtor does a better job with the lack of resources the blizzard guys have.

They could even hire the writer of Witcher if they wanted

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No they don’t. They want you to forgive him for cutting off part of his horn to mail it to Anduin. They want you to forgive him for always siding with the Alliance no matter what. They want you to forgive him for exiling the Tauren for defending the Barrens from racist Alliance invaders who killed a village willed with craftsmen.

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Well look who sounds like a jaded ex.

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Of course crying is so unmanly! Even if your crying at the senseless destruction and death in front of your eyes! Clearly men should act like Garrosh. Only jerkfaces are true manly men!

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You don’t understand, Horde men shouldn’t have feelings, and certainly not nuance!

They shouldn’t show empathy, or compassion. They should revel in the blood of the Alliance, dream of bathing in it every night; and get their jollies off when they see extreme acts of “pragmatism”. Oh, but remember Blizz, don’t villain bat us! You should just ensure that you give us a reason to feel totally justified in slaughtering Alliance filth without a second thought; because muh PvP immersion.

Also, we love the diversity of the Horde and hate the hegemony of the Alliance; but we despise the range of cultural norms and ideals that that diversity brings! Outside of some racial flavoring, all the races should think identically! So, if we could just, have the appearance of diversity, but have a totally unified front when it comes to dealing with World Conflicts that would be great! :stuck_out_tongue:

EDIT: God I can’t wait for the Faction Conflict to be a thing of the past. Maybe then the Horde can finally find an identity outside of their contention with the Alliance again. We had that once …

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When?

Name once?

I kind of find it funny that the reaccuring theme in most of these scenes (including all the missing parts that give actual context) is that he’s restraining himself solely for the sake of his people, but you’re calling it cowardice and fear as though he was only worried about saving his own skin.

Seriously.

It’s terrible how much of this is taken out of context.

It’s from Tides of War.

Garrosh is refusing to attack Theramore, giving them more time to prepare for the Horde’s arrival. Since Baine hasn’t been looped in on Garrosh’s master plan, he thinks that Garrosh is just being an idiot and leading the entire Horde army to their deaths.

A better quote for context:

The presentation is pretty melodramatic, but I think his frustration and confusion is understandable.

DED. :skull_and_crossbones:

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Ah, I guess I should have known.

Baine’s reation to Tauren dying: “It’s their own fault for being born filthy cow monsters.”

Baine’s reaction to Humans dying: Sobbing mental breakdown screaming WWHHHHYYYY at the sky

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Uh.

No?

That’s his reaction to thought of Horde soldiers dying pointlessly because of Garrosh apparent stupidity.

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