I am a player from the Asia server, and I’d like to voice my concerns about the rampant botting scripts that are farming old-world dungeons, such as the Black Temple, Tempest Keep, and Zul’Aman. These bots can amass up to 1500 gold per hour, causing many players to buy illegal gold to pay for their monthly subscription fees, which only amount to 9000 gold. The widespread use of botting scripts is straining server resources and leading to lengthy queues for players. Today, at 1 PM Asia server time, the queue exceeded 2200 people, making it increasingly difficult for regular players to access the game.
My recommendations are:
Eliminate or reduce experience points awarded in battlegrounds.
Decrease gold and gray item drop rates in old-world dungeons, or restrict gray mobs from dropping anything other than quest items and equipment, reminiscent of how you previously reduced experience gained when playing alongside higher-level players.
I would like to add that the server I am on has a small population of real players. Only 5000 game characters participate in raiding on the server. However, I have to start queuing from 11 am every day. My guild’s raid starts at 7 pm, and I have to queue up at 4 pm to make it on time. Additionally, I cannot experience a single disconnection during the queue. If I do disconnect, I will miss today’s raid and get scolded by the raid leader because I was the only one missing. Furthermore, I have to spend a considerable amount of time every day waiting to enter the game. Many of my friends have left the game due to this issue.
Players on the World of Warcraft Asia server are truly suffering from the devastation caused by botting scripts. Some people have even started selling their money-making methods and hacks on platforms like Douyin (TikTok). They use these hacks to level up from 1 to 10 and then enter Warsong Gulch to bot until they reach level 55. After that, they choose either a Death Knight or a Rogue. A max-level Death Knight would farm instances like Tempest Keep or gather resources, while a max-level Rogue would farm gold in the Black Temple.
Blizzard seems unable to solve this issue. Each character can farm about 10 USD in five hours, and considering that a single botting studio can have thousands of characters running simultaneously, the scale of the problem is massive. It takes Blizzard 4 to 10 days to ban an account. As a result, legitimate players have to endure long queue times of 4-5 hours just to enter the game. Many of my friends have left the game because of this, which saddens me deeply.
Both your suggestions hurt real players more than bots so no.
Esp the first one that is one of the ways players like to level in wrath.
If you want to fix botting you target botting and rmt not content real players enjoy.
We have tons of bots since blizzard only dose one ban wave every 6 months to a year and makes a big deal of it for the bots to return a week later or less as can level with a bot. If you’re not going to be activly banning them they will always be an issue no matter what content changes you make.
You do the suggestion, that you suggest, all the bots do is move to the next best thing. For leveling that means grinding or questing and yes bots can quest quite well but this is more annoying for real players as they’re not mainly seen in instances where conjesttion is limited. For gold there is countless other ways to bot gold.
As far as rmt goes banning people in the first place that buy or sell gold. Right now you buy gold and you might get a 2 day to a week ban most cases you don’t. So why not buy gold if won’t be punished. The methiod to find these transactions and the punishments need to be higher.
That is it, the solution has been there since og classic and used to be done by blizzard for awhile. Blizzard just stoped enforcement to a vary high level and that is the fundamental issue.
I think too that at minimum nerfing old content farming is an easy way to fight against bots and probably something that they should look to do automatically when a new expansion launch as they did nerf many times old content gold drop after/later.
I don’t think too that it should be the best way or a good way to make gold for players to farm old content.
I’m all for banning people longer or harsher, but making it too easy to bot is also a problem. Which is a problem with having the boost and the free dk they gave early.
The only way to stop botting is for players to stop buying gold so basically, the problem isn’t going anywhere. Not when so many wrath players seem to prefer pulling out the credit card to skip actually playing the game lol.
You thinking it’s not a good way to farm old content is rather moot. That not only was possible in og it was a common methiod. It’s vary much something that should be maintained in classic.
As for auto nerfing old context on a new xpac all you are doing is further moving all accounts to the new content this adds to conjesttion and furthers the old world feeling dead. It also takes away some of the gain of leveling a new alt as you get less during the time you are playing it till you reach that new world. It’s all around negatives that vastly outweigh making it worse for bots. Esp as those methiod are not much worse than new content ones. So you are not hurting bots much if at all but causing significant negative effects to players.
The dk change did make it easier for bots early on but it changed nothing. All it did was bots were playing dk vs ret pallys that we see quite a number of now or other classes. It saved the bits at most a week to level really far less. It would have mattered if blizzards enforment was on point as then that week would matter to the boys as part of the cost breakeven point. But as it takes 6 months to a year to get banned than week is a joke.
I really don’t care what was possible back then or not.
Modern problems require modern solutions.
And yes if you move all accounts in the same zone it will be easy to flag those accounts, moreover if they all farm the same thing they will have to compete with each others on the same thing. Players can still earn gold many other way and if the gold value of current stuff drop it means that dailies are worth more.
Making it longer before the bot is operational is a good way to be able to detect it before it hurts the economy. Yes they are lacking on the banning part but it’s not irrelevant.
You not caring what was possible shows you should not have any control over what should be done and they should dismiss your thoughts. This is classic the entire point is to play what was for many. If they’re just going to make retail not caring what changes they make you have removed any point to play the game: all calls need to be made with what was possible in mind. Yes some changes are worth it but never do you say I don’t care what was possible as that is a large element to every decision that should be made in classic.
Yes modern problems take modern solutions but this is not a problem. People being able to farm old world content is not a problem it is a feature. One that can and ahould be maintained.
The bots in question are already focused into one zone the issue is lack of enforcement dealing with them.
Moving them to where players are is only going to annoy players more and no saying you can do daillys is not a good answer as if daily’s become better gold per hour then other methiods guess where the bots go and as such makes them to farmed for players.
Never said rhe dk change was irrelevant do read. Outright agreed it was an issue but said it changes nothing. As it dis change nothings them running longer dose make them eaiser to detect yes but that is irrelevant if they don’t action that acount for 6 months to a year when they do a ban wave. They don’t ban on detection only durring ban waves as per blizzard themselves in past q and as. As such an early detection only really helps if right before a ban wave which makes up a small percent of the total at best.
I don’t have any control and so do you not have any. This is a discussion forums.
The classic entire point is re-visiting that content. You can’t turn back time on changes. You’re probably not playing with a 100 ping on a 16inch screen.
It can be both haha
And dailies require you to be max level and you can’t farm them indefinitely, something that bots hate because they want to keep producing gold before getting banned.
You might not realize how lucrative the old-world dungeons can be. Try farming Black Temple for an hour, and you’ll see the profits. As a rogue player myself, I know. Currently, the price for 10,000 gold on the Asian servers is $10, while the official rate is $14.99. I only need 9,000 gold to purchase a WoW Token from the official store and exchange it for a month’s subscription.
The profits here are so exaggerated it’s hard to imagine, and the intensity of bans is far from sufficient. Can you imagine that according to WCL, there are only 3,000 players on our server participating in raids, yet queues start at 10 am for daily tasks and last until midnight? Players who want to participate in evening activities need to log in 4-5 hours ahead to start queuing.
Simply banning accounts is no longer enough to deter these script users. We must reduce their profits, just like the reduced earnings in the Karazhan dungeon.
You don’t have control and never said you did again do read what was said. I outright addressed the point of it being a discussion fourm.
Yes it can be both in this case it is not and you have shown nothing to show that it is. Bots being there dose not make it a problem when players themselves also use the same methiod commonly.
Bots in fact love daillys. Do keep showing how Ill informed you are. Many people love bots they can use that don’t look so “unrealistic” these bots are often the ones used on mains for reps or otherwise. There is tons of scripts out there for daillys esp those that give rep like the toc ones. Furthermore if daily’s are high gold per hour the bot just sets a timetable that has them run x at x time. Thab go back to x lesser methiod. They love any source that theta them good object there after per hour that is repeatable in the same way. Daily’s are a prime example of that they are predictable.
It has caused many problems with the economy and it got nerfed many times. I don’t have to prove why it’s a problem when everyone know it’s an obvious flaw. You’re asking me if it’s fine to make copper ore farming worth more than titanium ore farming.
It makes them easily recognizable, that’s why bots prefer to farm instanced content because you can’t prove that they are bot as a player can’t see it. If I see a multiboxing stack, or a suspicious activity in the world and report it I will get often get a message that says “thank you for reporting”.
These scripts aren’t even doing daily quests; they are purely farming gold. On the Asia server, thousands of accounts are banned every day, but that’s far from enough. Have you ever seen hundreds of rogues following the exact same path on a map, or rogues repeatedly entering and leaving the Black Temple entrance due to instance lockouts? Have you ever seen a server with over 1,000 rogue players inside the Black Temple?
These players have no relation to normal gameplay, and you have no idea how crazy the situation is on the Asia server right now. You can search for related information on Google.
There are a total of 8 servers on the Asia server, and 4 of them have already banned all new players from creating characters due to botting scripts. In addition, all servers have prohibited paid server transfers, and creating death knights is forbidden unless a player has a level 55 character. However, these measures have proven to be completely ineffective.
Here’s the translation with smoother English phrasing:
These scripts aren’t engaging in daily quests; they’re solely focused on gold farming. The Asia server has to ban thousands of accounts every day, but it’s still not enough. Have you ever seen hundreds of rogues following the exact same path on a map, or rogues continuously entering and leaving the Black Temple entrance due to instance lockouts? Have you ever witnessed a server where more than 1,000 rogue players are inside the Black Temple?
These players have nothing to do with regular gameplay, and you can’t imagine how chaotic the situation is on the Asia server right now. You can search for related information on Google.
There are a total of 8 servers in the Asia region, with 4 of them already prohibiting all new players from creating characters because of the botting scripts. Additionally, all servers have suspended paid server transfers, and creating death knights is restricted unless a player has a level 55 character. Yet, these measures have been entirely fruitless.
Copper ore farming being more profitable than higher ores is not a problem in any way shape or fourm that is the free market working as it should. People being paid to go and farm what is less farmed is good and being able to make gold when leveling via having that proff is also good. That’s not a issue with the economy at all it’s in fact it working correct and would be the case even without bots old world mats often cost more than current due to lower supply even with the lower demand often dose not keep up with demand due to re leveling of proffs and otherwise causing need.
The message thank you for reporting is thanking you for the report nothing more.
Not really it makes them in many ways less recognizable. The changing behaviour is one of the things that make them harder to detect va running x instance on exactly the same way day in and out. Yes there are less reports but reports only do so much the detection algorithm is what is needed to catch them for quick actions and to solve the issue. Them doing repetitive tasks makes it easier for it the issue is again lack of enforcement.
What kind of old-world items can be farmed from Tempest Keep and the Black Temple? They are purely generating 1500 gold per hour. My concern isn’t what they can produce, but rather the fact that around 8,000 botting scripts are in dungeons 24 hours a day, consuming server resources and preventing regular players from enjoying the game. We have to spend a significant amount of time in queues just to enter the game. However, now in Ulduar, some players get disconnected when they’re not paying attention, causing delays in our guild events.
OK I will just accept you don’t understand what you’re talking about and carry on. Good day.
The issue is they don’t want to have false negatives which is why you need an “accumulation” of proof. Which is why the longer you force them to run before making gold, the longer you make it easier for you to detect them and ban them. Which is why forcing them to be in recent/popular content makes it easier to have a bunch of reports agaisn’t them with a bigger proof than letting them run highly efficient content for gold and trying to understand which one is a bot or not yourself.
just like them removing the ability to powerlevel your friends/alts. wouldnt need JJ if theyd bring back PL’s. but nooooooooo bots and whiners with 1 or 2 chars ruined it for the 90% that wanted it. buncha mouth breathers in these forums
