TBH, i think the tree will replace the sword in Silithis.
To heal Azeroth tbh.
Not much on lore, but it does seem logical.
You’re being too optimistic by far. Blizzard also went on about how trolls were going to have their own actual city and gnomes were going to take back their city of Gnomergan…!! WOOT!! … and then both of those were actually lv5 quest hubs with literally no city-type support NPCs (no AH, no tmogger, no bank, no portals, no anything). Your character will never go to either of them twice for any reason. Sadly, this is what I expect of the new tree. 
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I can’t blame you at all. I’m afraid of a Gnomeregan situation with Gilneas, too.
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The faction, the group, the collection of Nations that has called themself “The Horde”, to which the players identify as members of, will have lost a city. The Horde will have lost a city.
When Lordaeron fell, the collection of nations known as the Alliance, lost a city.
I’ve never even brought up the topic of ownership because it’s entirely irrelevant. I 100% agree the Forsaken own it as they did when it was alive.
This conversion as purely been about that when the nation fell, as members of the Alliance, the Alliance lost a city.
Negatory, you can’t lose something that didn’t belong to you. They lost a strategical asset that is it. Otherwise you are creating implications that the Alliance owned something in which they did not. Semantics yes, but important ones.
Entirely semantics and irrelevant to conversation.
if the conversation is around “Losing” the city of Lordaren it’s completely relevent because you can’t lose something you didn’t own.
Then neither the Horde or Alliance has ever a lost a city and all things are equal.
The Alliance of Lordaeron is it’s nickname to distinguish it from the current Alliance. Just like the Horde in WoW is distinguished from the Horde prior to Thrall.
The kingdom of Lordaeron was wiped out by the Scourge. Every actual source describes it that way. And it’s people took up residence there after freeing themselves from the Scourge.
Scourge
What does it mean to be Scourge? It means a loss of will so profound that one loses all sense of identity. Or at least that’s what it meant in the days of the Third War. Arthas discovered a horrifying truth when he investigated the plague. The undead hordes that ravaged his father’s kingdom were not new arrivals. They were citizens, robbed of their lives and reborn as mindless atrocities. These creatures served one voice, and one alone – the Lich King, trapped upon his Frozen Throne. Arthas, too, served this creature – the dark voice that bade him kill his own father.
With Terenas gone, the kingdom fell into chaos. Unimpeded, the Scourge proceeded to wipe out what remained of Lordaeron. Its ranks swelled with each death – corpses were raised with impunity, and the Lich King’s plans were successfully carried out. Yet in each rotting carcass that tore its way through living flesh, a Human soul once lived. Lordaeron fell – to the Burning Legion, perhaps in some degree – but more importantly, to the decaying hands and blinded minds of its own citizens.
But the Lich King’s iron will was not absolute. After the Third War, the Lich King’s control over his minions faltered. Where once had been mindless Scourge was now…something other, something free-willed. With that free will came a horrifying wash of memories – atrocities they had committed, faces of people they’d killed, the damage they’d done while under the Lich King’s thrall.
Lordaeron woke up. And its former citizens were scant shadows – withered, rotting husks of what they once were. In the wake of these memories, some went mad. For in between the painful flashes of a beloved kingdom falling to ruin was the slow realization that there was no way they could ever reclaim their former lives again.
Shadows of Lordaeron
The kingdom of Lordaeron was once a bastion of prosperity and peace. Its people were dedicated to righteousness, to the Light, to that concept of self-sacrifice first demonstrated by Tyr in legends of old. Its capital city was a safe haven where all were welcome, its leader a just and fair King who tried his hardest to see the best in people. In one fateful moment, king, kingdom, and capital city all met their end.
Yet just as the Forsaken were reborn…so was Lordaeron. It exists just as its citizens do, in a state of perpetual decay. Neither alive nor dead – simply mired in a pitiful place somewhere in between. Never to return to its former glory – and never truly allowed to rest. For beneath its crumbling walls and once-proud parapets, the haunted shadows of Lordaeron linger…eternal in undeath, haunted by memories of the brilliant kingdom that once was.
The Alliance of Stormwind did not lose Lordaeron. The people of Lordaeron did and they reclaimed their kingdom.
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This is correct, neither the horde or alliance lost a city. They lost strategical assets.
We yoinked it and are gonna redecorate
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Can we put some christmas lights on it? I heard they sometimes start a fire. 
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Oh 100% absolutely. As SOON as I heard about that, I was like… yeah, it will constantly be a zone we’re in the middle of saving and never an actual, functional city.
In a way, they can’t. Since at least Cata, Blizzard has been shoehorning all players into Stormwind and Org. (Of the original cities.) You might notice all other faction main cities (Darnassus, Exodar, Silvermoon, Thunder Bluff, IF, and Undercity) lack any of the main-city-functionality created post-Wrath. I don’t see them stopping doing that anytime soon. They need to force the players into a smaller area to make up for there being fewer of them.
The sad thing is, if they didn’t make a big deal about destroying Undercity and Darnassus, it likely would have taken me at least a year or more to notice they were gone. Mind you, I preferred Darnassus (and Thunder Bluff on hordieside) but it just was too inconvenient to have my characters “live there” when literally everything I needed for new expansions was in Stormwind or Org and that was it. 
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That’s literally what I’ve been saying. They changed the name but it is fundamentally the same thing, the Alliance lost one of its members, that’s it. It still existed after Lordaeron fell.
To a degree, the Old Horde and New Horde have the distinction that the Old Horde were essentially slaves to the Burning Legion through the blood of mannoroth.
The “Old Horde” was at its a core a burning legion army.
The current horde, or Thralls horde are an independent collection of nations that have allied themself, like the Alliance.
I’m not disputing that Lordaeron fell, just that the Alliance fell with them.
The Alliance lost Loraderon, the uniuon renamed to the Alliance (not of stormwind) once it fell.
It’s not the same thing. Because it doesn’t have ownership and never did of Lordaeron. Which is the debate here.
Then what are you debating here? Because the discussion is about who lost UC. And the Lordaeron people lost it and reclaimed it.
Wouldn’t it have to if the name was Alliance of Lordaeron that would imply the leading faction of the alliance was Lordaeron itself. It would be a collective of individuals that sworn loyality and to uphold the ideals of Lordaeron. When they changed the name it would mean that is no longer the goal of the Alliance and a new charter -while with the same people- was formed.
That’s not the debate at all.
The Alliance never owned Lordearon, but Lordaeron was apart of its territory. When the territory was lost to the scourge, the Alliance lost that territory.
I’m debating that the Alliance lost Lordaeron first, while it was a nation of living humans, and part of the Alliance.
Once it fell and the nation was risen in Undeath it was lost again, this time they were part of the Horde when it fell, and so the Horde lost a city.
At all times, the territory belonged to its people, no matter they called themself or what military group they aligned themself with at the time.
That is how the debate got started. From a post that stated this current Alliance lost UC. You’ve lost the plot.
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You’ve confused a union with a nation. That’s why were debating and why it’s going nowhere.
What you believe “the Alliance” to be is fundamentally wrong.
Honestly that is how I read the conversation too, the misunderstanding imho is on their side.