Yes we know that like 7 people are still with the newer Alliance. But the kingdom itself fell and the dead that lived around UC claimed it as their home upon undeath. It is their’s. The others moved on.
And Org was destroyed by Deathwing in this game. And then was rebuilt by order of Garrosh and Goblins.
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Notice how the emerald dream zone fits kind of quaintly in that big ocean space off the coast of Ohn’ahran plains, about where the dream portal is.
The Kingdom of Lordaeron fell yes, the Alliance remained.
It doesn’t matter who claims whats left of the city now.
Lordaeron was once an Alliance city that was destroyed.
If you’re referring to the rebuild that was done for Cataclysm, in lore it was a redesign ordered by Garrosh once he became Warchief.
The city wasn’t destroyed. Deathwings never been to Orgrimmar.
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Hang on there’s coffee to be had first before this work thing.
The discussion I was having with someone else was about who it belongs to and it still belongs to the Forsaken. They lived there and it was their kingdom.
Emerald dream is connected to azeroth. As it grew in the dream … It manifests in azeroth.
The discussion was whether or not it counted as one of the 5 cities they listed as felled Alliance cities.
I agree it belongs to them now, and it belonged to them when they were alive.
When they were alive they were Alliance, when they died they were still Alliance, when it fell it was an Alliance city. When they rose to undeath, they weren’t Alliance anymore.
It still counts.
It was still mostly old Alliance and a few people being with the Alliance of Stormwind does not make it one of their fell cities. Sorry but it’s not their’s.
It’s the same Alliance, just having lost one of its original member nations. It’s not just a few people. Once the capitol fell all the still living settlements in the North were still Alliance members, just with a new capitol of Stormwind.
Agree to disagree I guess.
No it is not. It’s a different Alliance with some similar people. It is just a few people. Most of the people of Lordaeron died in canon.
We will definitely have to disagree on this.
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It belongs to Calia, she is the rightfull heir. And Since she has joined the Forsaken, it belongs to the Forsaken. But she’s also not stupid, and knows that if she tried to assert too much autority she would cause a rebelion and be overthrowen etc. Hence why she joined the Desolate Council.
LOTS of coffee. Being a tree is hard.
I don’t know where you’re getting that it’s “just a few people” from. Entire NATIONS were still alive.
I think you are confusing The Alliance as being Lordaeron.
The Alliance was far more than just Lordaeron, there were several other nations/kingdoms in that group. When Lordaeron fell, the other remaining nations were still alive, still allied, still the Alliance.
If Stormwind fell today in modern WoW, the Alliance would still exist.
The Dwarves, Gnomes, Night Elves, Draenei, Worgen and all the now allied races that make up its members would still be together, they would still be the Alliance, just now without Stormwind.
Nothing that you wrote matters to the conversation because still most of the Lordaeron citizens died and became the Forsaken. It is their city. It was their home. It was their kingdom. It doesn’t matter to the conversation how big the Alliance of Lordaeron as it was called actually was. It’s kingdom fell and it’s people occupied where they live and own their city outright. The Alliance of Stormwind does not. Trying to confuse the conversation by mentioning other nations that have nothing to do with where UC is doesn’t work with me.
It wasn’t the Alliance of Lordaeron though, it was just “the Alliance”. A collection of nations who banded together to combat the Orc invasion. It wasn’t “owned” by anyone.
I’m not confusing the conversation at all, you are confusing it by trying to make it a kingdom of itself, which it absolutely was NOT.
Incorrect Lordaeron was once a city of a kingdom that was part of the alliance but each Kindoms still owns their own territory. Becoming a member of an alliance doesn’t forfeit your sovereign rights. Loderaron was -never- an Alliance city.
It absolutely was
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If they are part of that group, then yes they are an Alliance city, otherwise no city is apart of any faction.
In the same way Orgrimmar is a Horde city. They are part of the Horde, if the city fell, the Horde would have lost a city. Orgrimmar in itself is still owned by the Orcs and its Warchief.
In your own link,
" The Alliance of Lordaeron was the >>union<< of the seven human kingdoms, along with the dwarves of Khaz Modan which also included the gnomes and Aerie Peak, the high elves of Quel’Thalas, and others with major political influence"
It was a Union. A treaty or pact between its member kingdoms.
The “Alliance of Lordaeron” is the branding, along with other names like the Great Alliance, Grand Alliance… etc. The link you post literally states this.
Exactly my statement, A city is owned by the races or kingdom that it belongs to not the Aliiance it is part of. If thunderbluff was lost yes the Horde would have lost a strategical asset, but it would be the Tauren that actually lost a city. The property does not belong to the Horde. And Lordaren did not belong to the Alliance, it belonged to the Kingdom of Lordaren.
otherwise situations such as if a kingdom left the alliance all their cities would belong to that Alliance. If we go by Lineage Calia is the only one that has a rightful claim to Lordaren.