Alterac Valley in Classic

Nurdan-wyrmrest-accord · March 20, 2019, 5:24pm

I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but it honestly feels like numerous posters on this forum are genuinely only posting here because they despise vanilla fans and seethe at the very thought of Classic being made and cheerlead the idea of it failing. Which I can’t really blame them for, there are so many people who despise modern WoW and people who still play it, so of course some of them will try to “get back” at people who hate them. Still not a healthy thing to do either way.

Lirielith-moon-guard · March 20, 2019, 5:36pm

My favorite incarnation of AV was when it lasted 5 days.

Arkan-azralon · March 20, 2019, 5:57pm

They are creating a time machine to go back in time and will fall just short of reaching the sweet spot for AV.
Is like going back 2000 years for Classic Christ and aiming to land 1 day after he was crucified…

Mohawk-llane · March 20, 2019, 5:59pm

So will all of Classic be a 1.12? Does this mean 2H Enhancement Shaman will already be defunked because dual wielding was put in during 1.12 if I’m not mistaken?

Burnsbright-shadowsong · March 20, 2019, 6:10pm

“A” on your AV plans. I wouldn’t mind seeing Korak come back but not having him is not a deal breaker. All the other decisions are on the mark. Its important to not have the blasted timers (that made tactical play impossible), and it is equally important to have a balanced map (i.e. after the GY move), and to NOT have reinforcements because reinforcements resulted in infinitely long games without the timers to end it.

Bliz didn’t say for certain but I really hope there are no timers in this AV. The introduction of timers basically turned AV into a non-tactical zerg. The original AV was more fun. I don’t want timers. And that is also why we can’t have reinforcements… even without reinforcements some AV games can really get drawn out. But with them an AV game can last 20 hours… basically never end.

-Matt

Anadann-icecrown · March 20, 2019, 6:26pm

That’s no problem. He came back 2 days after you arrived.

Robfried-shadow-council · March 20, 2019, 6:28pm

But with more holes

Brokenwind-malganis · March 20, 2019, 6:30pm

Because crucifixion, gross. Carrying a cross while wearing a crown of thorns is too hard.

Brokenwind-malganis · March 20, 2019, 6:32pm

You’re mistaken. That was a private server called Rebirth.

Anadann-icecrown · March 20, 2019, 6:34pm

Was that the one where he got kicked out of that 12 man guild called The Disciples?

Brokenwind-malganis · March 20, 2019, 6:35pm

He was the guildmaster. Got booted because he wrecked the guild bank and tossed out all of the moneylenders in the process. Having an all priest guild simply doesnt work for progression.

Anadann-icecrown · March 20, 2019, 6:40pm

If somebody wrecked my guild bank, I might want horrible things to happen to them as well. I’d probably even consider using my tailoring to make the burial shroud.

Majat-draktharon · March 20, 2019, 7:01pm

I really appreciate all that the devs are doing, you guys are fantastic and I am glad that you guys have been communicating with the forums so much lately. You guys really are great.

That being said, my vote is with a previous version that made it more difficult to zerg because of the guards in towers and Lieutenants in the boss rooms.

I believe the war that raged on was something to behold and AV was originally intended to be a PvPvE BG and would force different specs for a victory.

I will still play if its 1.12… but I would really love it if you would reconsider to a previous version.

Retail wow is a zerg fest… we want war.

Thanks again. Devs. Love u folk.

Gnomistake-jubeithos · March 20, 2019, 7:02pm

Eyandris:

The only problem I really have is I don’t quite get the logic behind the decision. They say they don’t want changes and wish to keep to the formula which I wholeheartedly agree with ( I’m a hard NoChanges here ) and that’s fair enough perhaps they don’t have the data so it would be guesswork. However it seems strange to consider reverting AV back to an older version a change if they’re willing to tweak itemization to prior patches.

With the no changes goal/tenents stating that they must always keep within the confines of Vanilla and always keep within the original design philosophy of the game, reverting AV (to say patch 1.5 or which ever is favoured) shouldn’t count as a change because it doesn’t meet the parameters to be considered one. The data is purely from the vanilla client.

I doubt they will revert it but we’ll have to see.

They have th data. PS have 1.5 AV so you think Blizz can’t?

There are other reasons they want 1.12 I am assuming it’s because they are half assing Classic which is disappointing.

Derkarn-area-52 · March 20, 2019, 7:05pm

Shaman couldn’t dual wield until 2.0.

Prayers-terokkar · March 20, 2019, 7:16pm

Someone said you could still view it in the map viewer if you know how to use it

Vokire-cenarion-circle · March 20, 2019, 7:21pm

Oh boy… We get to play a version super similar to today’s… It could have been added as a separate queue or special event. It’s vanilla content we will never get to play.

Fenril-stormrage · March 20, 2019, 7:24pm

Too many things was removed from 1.5 to 1.12. BECAREFUL what you wish for by saying 1.12 is ok. Once it is in the game, they won’t go back.

Just look at what was removed and use your imagination on how fast the game will last with pretty much everything removed, but right before they went with reinforcements:

1.5: Added

• Winterax Hold
• Wildpaw Ridge
• Syndicate NPC’s
• Mine Layers, Landmines
• Korrak the Bloodrager
• Portable Shredder Unit
• Tower/Bunker Guards
• Lots of Standing Guards
• Lots of Patrols
• Long battles

1.8:

• Winterax Hold removed
• Wildpaw Ridge removed
• Syndicate NPC’s removed
• Mine Layers, Landmines removed
• Shorter battles

1.10:

• Korrak the Bloodrager removed
• Portable Shredder Unit removed

1.11:

• Tower/Bunker Guards removed
• Most Patrols removed
• Most Standing Guards removed
• Ridiculous short battle

Mohawk-llane · March 20, 2019, 7:24pm

Right, pre-expansion patch.

Williams-akama · March 20, 2019, 7:32pm

Kaivax:

First and foremost, we’re planning to use the 1.12 version of Alterac Valley. For many parts of the game like this, we’re picking an original WoW patch that gives us the most clarity for WoW: Classic, and 1.12 is that patch.

In Alterac Valley, that puts us before the introduction of reinforcements. It puts us before the removal of all of the Commanders and Lieutenants. The only win conditions are the killing of Drek’thar in Frostwolf Keep or Vanndar Stormpike in Dun Baldar.

It gives us several early improvements to the BG that we’re glad to have in place. Early on in AV, there were too many NPCs and they were too hard to kill. By 1.12, many had been removed and NPC health was brought down to a reasonable level. Turning in armor scraps is an encouraged, supportive activity by this point. Many capture points (mostly graveyards) had been moved away from their initial placements to gain better balance across the map. Korak the Bloodrager was removed, and killing opposing players no longer drops items like Dwarf Spines, Orc Teeth, or Human Bone Chips. Gross.

I strongly urge you to reconsider this, there is a reason why we actually LOVE all the NPC’s in AV and why that’s good for the map and why it’s a big part of the experience.