I see, so we that actually were vanilla players throughout all of vanilla… are not actual vanilla players?
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Yes a multitude of WoW players complained about AV. And so they changed it. We on the forums make up a small percentage of the player base.
Yeah, and they also said that 1.12 was the base template for Classic, not something that was going to be replicated at every turn. Either way, they’re changing Classic AV from the Retail AV they’re porting. They’re changing what they have to work with regardless.
“1.12 as a base” pretty clearly implies to me that patch content other than 1.12 is out of the question, but continue trying to twist words in your favour if you so wish. Mix-and-matching different patch content together would be an awful diea.
There are a lot of Vanilla players. But it appears the majority of Vanilla players wanted AV changed. That’s why Blizzard changed it in the first place…This little subsection of the forums doesn’t represent the majority of players and shouldn’t even think that they do.
A very small percentage of the forum makes up the actual playerbase.
Blizzard said they’re giving us patch 1.12 and will try and emulate the content release. So, even if they did give you patch 1.5 AV. IT would be changed in the next phase.
So you’d get it for 3 months or however long the phases. Since that would be an accurate representation of a Vanilla timeline.
A multitude of wow players complained about the game and blizzard catered to them, which led us to the current state of the game. You make such a compelling point. ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
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You have no source that “a multitude” did anything.
I agree that we on the forums are a tiny sample size. That’s kind of the point.
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The majority of vanilla players were happily playing the game, not whining on the forums that the game was too hard.
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I have a quote from the guy who designed Warsong Gultch. He said it wasn’t popular and people didn’t play it as much as the others due to PVEers not wanting to PVP and PVPers not wanting to PVE.
Luuni, your points are so important here because when people talk about Classic they implicitly or deliberately forget the negative aspects of the design decisions back then and things that didn’t work.
Some people salivate at the thought of a battleground lasting multiple days. Other people recoil at it. I’m sure it might be an interesting temporary event or something, but having that as the default state of the BG was clearly not tenable for most people. They didn’t change it without reason.
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Which says nothing about a multitude complaining or that no one liked it.
Like most of the conclusions you jump to, this conclusion is not supported by logic. “Not as popular as the others” is not the same thing as “multitude of complaints”.
If basing popularity on number of players doing content and frequency, then raiding in general should have been gutted to hell and back.
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It’s not at all a huge leap to assume people were complaining about it if it weren’t popular. That’s common sense.
Whether or not there were many people complaining about it, Blizzard was clearly under the impression that the battleground was not popular and therefore needed to be changed. People insist that wasn’t the case but so far that seems to only be based in nostalgic reminiscing more than anything else.
I wouldn’t use the word “gutted”, but raiding was absolutely made more accessible in later expansions so you’re just proving his point.
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At the end of the day. They should replicate Vanilla WoW.
So yeah, put 1.5 AV in phase 3. But then in phase 4. Put in 1.9 AV. Then in phase 5. You get 1.10 AV. And then in phase 6. 1.12 AV.
So you can enjoy the other versions of AV for a few months.
I’m not really sure what you guys are asking for here. I’ve seen some people ask for 1.5 and others 1.8. No one has asked for a concrete version of AV. It’s either this or that.
But if you want an authentic version of Vanilla. 1.12 AV is at the end of the road somewhere. And if they did go back and faithfully restore the old versions and patched them up, just as they did in Vanilla, you’d guys would be here in the forums complaining for Blizzard to stop faithfully restoring their game, so you can live in some alternate version of 1.5.
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The very same blizzard that led us down the road to the current state of retail. I don’t think using blizzard’s decisions as an argument is doing you any favors.
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You guys sound anti-blizzard at this point.
They could give you a five star meal and you’d be be complaining to the waiter that you didn’t have enough ice in your glass.
Come on man…
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Holy crap, that is my ENTIRE POINT.
I mean…did you see what they did to raiding over the next few expansions?
Yes, and that is partly why using blizzard’s POV on changes is absurd. But my original point was vanilla raids. I should have actually specified that, but thought it was assumed.
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The assertion that “Blizzard makes changes in response to player feedback” is not supported by historical data.
The fact that it was changed does not prove that there was feedback supporting the change.