Alterac Valley in Classic

[Dancealot-thrall]

I’m pretty bummed about this, one of the things i’ve been hyping my friends on is the classic AV. I hope you reconsider and take us back, at least at the start to an earlier version of AV. I really miss those long epic battles and the bosses. I miss when it was dangerous to wander around the map alone because the NPC’s would mess you up.

[Kelzog-area-52]

The only win conditions are the killing of Drek’thar in Frostwolf Keep or Vanndar Stormpike in Dun Baldar.

Does that mean that there can still be long AVs? Is the Zerg method going to be better for honor/hr?

[Shiromar-malganis (Shiromar)]

its pretty much zerg only, good luck having enough time to finish any of the quests

[Nolimitation-sargeras]

Great stuff guys, keep the updates coming, cant wait!!

[Robfried-shadow-council]

Super disappointed. I never got to play vanilla and my buddies have been hyping up the old AV. I was excited to get into a long drawn out war. Its pretty sad I’ll never get to have that experience.

[Scrawny-eldrethalas (Scrawny)]

You didn’t do AV for honor grind. You did it for rep to get some pre raid BiS gear. In old AV you could exalted in a single match. With 1.12 it will take a whole BG weekend.
I mean, you did get honor but it’s very inefficient compared to wsg.

[Smiles-malorne]

Not a deal breaker, however this is strike one, for me. This is EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING. This is not authentic vanilla experience. The community does not want a zerg fest. They want a WAR! Give the community what they want. You even linked threads where the community clearly favors previous versions of AV over 1.12 AV. So maybe, I dont know, actually read the threads you linked in your update?!

Last week you restored our confidence by recreating a more authentic experience with 6 content phases opposed to 4 (THANK YOU <3333, seriously THANK YOU)

Then you decided to go full retard this week, based off results.

This is fundamental ignorance. This is lazy. This is cheap. Considering ACTVI grossed 4.93 BILLION dollars in 2018.

What a sorry waste of an update, you cretins should be ashamed of yourself.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

So maybe, I dont know, actually read the threads you linked in your update?!

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

First and foremost, we’re planning to use the 1.12 version of Alterac Valley. For many parts of the game like this, we’re picking an original WoW patch that gives us the most clarity for WoW: Classic, and 1.12 is that patch.

Why? You can play this version of AV on retail, and have been able to for over a decade.

I’d rather you give us as close to 1.0 AV as possible, please. Shredders, mine fields, EVERYTHING. This is the true authentic vanilla experience. I want day(s) long epic AVs. Fighting at a choke for days, kiting entire zergs to mines to watch them all die, summoning epic npcs to push into the alliance or horde base to finally move some ground. Desperately defending from the enemies summoned champions trying to hold your ground.

Leaving the battle, going to bed, then waking up and joining the same struggle again? Man, that felt so good. That was such a cool feeling I’ve never been able to get before. Then once you finally break through, capture their final graveyard and enter the boss room and win the fight? You felt like you just won a decade long journey, and remember the people in /yell trying to organize and give orders. You remember the enemies who tried so hard to hold on and not lose. There were heroes on both sides, and it felt like a real battle.

All of this felt so EPIC and an experience you haven’t been able to ever get again in WoW since the massive nerfs. Give us our truly unique experience that’s the AV I remember from my times playing Vanilla back in the day.

AV went from a massive battlefield - a true war where every persons contribution mattered all over the entire huge map - to a a centralized zerg on a single objective where you ignore PvP to end the game faster due to all these nerfs over time.

You can get 15 min PvE rushes on live servers, and have been able to for over a decade. Classic should be where you experience the unique versions of how content originally was.

GIVE US DAY(S) LONG TURTLE AVS! GIVE US OUR EPIC STRUGGLE INTO THE HORDE OR ALLIANCE BASE BACK! GIVE US WHAT MADE THIS BG WORTHY OF ITS EPIC TITLE!

Exactly this.
This should be reposted in every discussion forum on this topic. Well said. Someone take this to Twitter please.

[Switzy-stormreaver (Switzy)]

I hope you guys come around like you did on the content release phases. This is a HUGE missed opportunity IMO. This will be a Pve run by zerg fest like current AV is. Your current version of AV is terrible. Don’t double down on it.

I remember the blue post way back in TBC or Wrath where Blizzard basically stated that zerg AV was properly tuned. I had hoped that the Classic dev team would realize the stupidity of that statement and either correct the problem, or tell us straight that they’re keeping 1.12 for technical or business reasons. Guess that was too much to ask.

This decision ensures that I won’t be participating in AV. Very disappointing.

[Chicachica-dark-iron]

So, you believe whatever Blizzard tells you?

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

I remember the blue post way back in TBC or Wrath where Blizzard basically stated that zerg AV was properly tuned.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080808013348/http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8557297376&sid=1

[Fenixtx-barthilas]

please reconsider, we can basically play 1.12 AV on retail, can we at least get a version with korak included for classic, those were some good times

[Max-stormrage-17569 (Max)]

So I’m a little torn about this. It makes sense that Classic, being on the 1.12 patch, would have the exact 1.12 Alterac Valley.

But it also makes me sad that our entry point into WoW Classic will be after some stuff has been removed from the game.

I guess there’s no pleasing everyone, but I personally would really like it if Korrak and the other elements that were removed from Alterac Valley prior to 1.12 were present for a while at least - perhaps up until the corresponding phase of the content release schedule, and then removed afterwards.

[Doomerkin-frostmourne]

Here is a straw poll trying to get a rough idea of what people think of today’s news on AV. After commenting vote in the straw poll and lets try and get some numbers

(Just put your standard three w’s) strawpoll. me/17641674

[Pielmeier-sargeras]

part of classic is being able to experience old vanilla content and youre telling me youre making it so nobody can ever experience original AV again

[Organics-aegwynn]

No, WE don’t want Korak.

Yes, we do.

[Organics-aegwynn]

there were too many NPCs and they were too hard to kill.

That’s fine. You do realize that you guys are working on Classic and not retail, right? One of the things people talk about most when they reminisce about vanilla is OLD AV. 1.12 AV is new AV without reinforcements.

[Vanbracken-silver-hand]

Thralls Balls! This is the War I’ve been waiting for.

[Milkberry-fizzcrank]

We are progressively releasing raids. We are progressively releasing items. Why can’t we progressively patch Alterac Valley so everyone can experience the epicness? Is it too difficult to code by our EARLY summer release?