Alterac Valley in Classic

[Uke-benediction]

The vanilla AV was hard but very fun. I am in it for the fun of the game and enjoy trying to win. The alliance zerg sucks, horde has no choice (if they want to have a shot at a win)) but o try and stop the rush early.
I would really like to see some of the original AV, when it was a huge battle. It is now just an honor/rep farm for the most part.

[Holymary-fairbanks]

You are so very desperate to white knight this absolute sorry version of AV.

It seems to me that the argument is convoluted by “I don’t like this version.” And rather, that what those who dislike the current state of things are saying is, “I’d rather be grinding honor in WSG or not AV.”

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

The vanilla AV was hard but very fun. I am in it for the fun of the game and enjoy trying to win. The alliance zerg sucks, horde has no choice (if they want to have a shot at a win)) but o try and stop the rush early.

If people during vanilla had found the original AV fun blizzard wouldn’t have changed it in the first place.

And how can you comp[lain about both the alliance zerg and defending against it at the same time? You literally just explained the solution to your problem then said you don’t like the solution.

[Jamtown-benediction]

yup. as amazing as that sounds its actually surprising how incompetent they are.

even holding the lowest of possible of expectations they still manage to go lower

[Kang-grobbulus]

here’s about an hour and a half of alliance rushing drek on Lightshope in 1.5 AV.

13-15min games

[Brokenwind-grobbulus]

You are so very desperate to white knight this absolute sorry version of AV.

It seems to me that the argument is convoluted by “I don’t like this version.” And rather, that what those who dislike the current state of things are saying is, “I’d rather be grinding honor in WSG or not AV.”

There are multi-thousand post threads that go into extensive detail why 1.12 was a bad version to choose for classic.

[Commissioned-herod]

Still no blue post on the state of AV in classic, bravo Blizzard.

[Celldweller-heartseeker]

You could have made the argument that they just wanted to take the easy way out, and getting AV working without all the other NPCs, was easier to implement and balance…but then they go an release the original version in retail. LOL

That is the great irony. If they thought 1.12 was good enough for classic, why was 1.12 not used for the 15th anniversary edition.

Fascinating decision making, isn’t it?

[Celldweller-heartseeker]

Lol, you again.

It’s both. They are related.

[Symbane-emerald-dream]

If people during vanilla had found the original AV fun blizzard wouldn’t have changed it in the first place.

I’d argue that Blizzard has rarely crowd sourced feedback on game design, but instead optimized game mechanics based on increasing accessibility.

IMO, they made a conscious effort to reduce the difficulty / time investment of AV so that more people could participate and complete matches.

What constitutes as “fun” is different for different groups. I understand their original decision to make AV easier, in effort to reach out to a more casual playerbase. However, people making the decision to come back to Classic are more hardcore in nature, and it seems like it would have made more sense to include a more hardcore version of AV.

[Paddyjack-thunderfury]

You are missing the point that to really get max honor, a lot of actual battling around points of objectives and small skirmishes are necessary. Actually doing pvp, fighting over the bases and npcs, fighting over chokes, and just generally roaming for picks. So we agree.

Yes you are right, in fact it was not you I should have quoted lol

[Mao-grobbulus]

What constitutes as “fun” is different for different groups. I understand their original decision to make AV easier, in effort to reach out to a more casual playerbase.

This is kinda part of the issue right. The game originally was balanced to have AV be more casual friendly, and the die hard PvPers duked it out in WSG and eventually AB.

Now all the hardcore players are forced into AV, with that casual player base and there is a rub. Hardcore don’t wanna be in AV, were just directed there because of the gains and the implication it has on our gains.

It just makes sense AV be more casual friendly and WSG be more competitive. The PvPer actually wanna engage in PvP and the current AV doesn’t provide that.

[Lee-incendius]

Yeah wish blizzard listened to this

[Kahsteel-sargeras (Kahsteel)]

You screwed this one up bad. Even worse than trAshran. Many of us hate you for it.

[Astralis-whitemane]

Don’t camp graveyards but it’s perfectly fine for premade 5 minute wins

[Zagara-skeram]

AV is the single biggest flop of classic. Even more so than the removal of GCDS on core class abilities and releasing pvp gear too early/in its final form.

[Killjõy-pagle]

Blizzard allows exploits in AV, They allow Premade’s in Game for One side, Just a bunch of cheater and blizzard ok’s this, what a joke they are. just a shell of the game it once was and the staff they once had. I will still play but I will not buy nothing more of the new game part or any in game items

[Blunttrama-whisperwind]

Says the guy wall jumping into the alliance base. to bypass towers. and graveyards and bridges.

[Faelimere-frostmourne]

allies can mount in cave? hacks

[Killjõy-pagle]

Blizzard allow cheating and exploits and 3rd party mods in game and does nothing about. Their TOS is a joke