Honestly, a wee bit disappointed.
Kaivax tried to make the most of it, but even his post seemed a bit of a forced smile.
Well, at least there won’t be reinforcements. And at least we still finally get classic.
I’m cool with any version 1.4-1.10
Like I said before… those changes did not drastically alter the gameplay… while 1.11-1.12 DID drastically alter the gameplay, it was an entirely different game.
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Does the itemization use anything that is not 1.12?
I’m not going to rage or threaten to quit or anything, but is there any chance of reconsideration?
Yes, 1.12 AV is better than the live AV. That much is true. But the process of destroying it had already been thoroughly begun, and 1.12 AV is the closest Vanilla version to live AV. The removal of many NPCs and the de-emphasis of side objectives is the direct path that led us to what we have today, where AV isn’t so much a battleground as it is a race.
It’s very disappointing. I don’t feel that 1.12 AV is sufficiently different or unique to cause me to get excited about playing it again. I’ll play it, and it’ll be all right, but it is no longer a selling point for me. Whereas any AV between 1.5 and 1.8 would be explicitly a selling point for me, a reason on its own for me to play Classic even if you made other decisions that I disliked, and I no longer have that possibility to look forward to.
Also, just for the record, I explicitly disagree with this statement and I think it’s demonstrating a modern design viewpoint of ‘we should try to make things more convenient’. I know that the team isn’t trying to actually make changes, but even when you make choices like this between options that occurred in Vanilla, you need to all guard yourselves against this kind of unconscious bias (that all humans have, I’m not trying to call anyone out) towards selecting things that you would have designed yourself.
The community by a large majority wants an older AV. The community also wants Classic WoW instead of Retail. These things are related; the reasons why we want Classic instead of Retail, and the reasons why we want older AV instead of 1.12 AV, are fundamentally fueled by the same processes.
And the idea that there were too many NPCs or that they were too hard to kill are fundamentally in disagreement with those underlying processes that fuel our opinions.
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1.8 was a massive change to AV. They moved graveyards, cut off portions of the map, nerfed npcs by 30%. It basically turned it into a zerg.
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The 2nd nerf to the npcs put the nail in the coffin.
Thanks for the update!
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so this confirms it then, you guys aren’t going to modify 1.12 at all. so no item progression either.
i gotta say this is some lazy peon nonsense.
correct me if im wrong but has anything specific from patch 1 - 1.11 been confirmed yet. if theyre just updating the client to handle 1.12 i feel the game should have been out by now then
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Thank you for holding true to your values of retaining 1.12.
I feel if Blizzard had the guts to tell their players “no” more times in the past, we wouldn’t have arrived at such a disaster of a retail expansion that we have today.
I’m glad we’re getting 1.12 AV. Selfishly, it’s what I was hoping for.
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It’s very disappointing we are not getting the old version…
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Care to explain your feelings? Instead of just saying “Me big mad >:^(”
Why is this “one if the worst ones”?
It is possible that Blizzard doesn’t have the information for AV before 1.12. Didn’t they specifically say that the older version of the game that they use for a reference is of patch 1.12? However, since it is just a BG that doesn’t mean they probably couldn’t piece it together.
It is still very disappointing since AV is more fondly remembered back before the 1.12 changes.
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Because this was one of the big changes that turned the BG into a potentially multi-day even into a 15 to 30 minute rush to the end, zerg-fest.
For the same reasons debuff slots are the worst decision, that loot trading is the worst decision, that sharding is the worst decision and that every other decision somebody disagrees with is the worst decision possible: People want to be able to choose an a la carte version of WoW to play and they think they should get what they want because they’re special.
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This was clear from Blizzcon. Since they only have 1.8 data going forward why waste their time trying to recreate something they are unsure of.
To me ,the most interesting part…points to quote above.
It would have been great, to see them restore some elements of early vanilla AV.
But i understand why they did,nt.
As long as we can’t blitz to the end I am happy.
Why? Because fundamentally their aim should be to recreate vanilla. If they plan on doing 6 content release phases, why wouldn’t AV release in the state it was in 1.5? Why do we have to experience the nerfed, simplified and zergy AV right from the start?
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The developers during vanilla were capable enough to make sweeping changes to the BG from patch to patch, yet this current crop of coders cannot manage to add mobs back into an instanced BG. Worse, they do not understand the fundamental role those mobs played. What a horrible disappointment this company has become. Embarrassing.
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Because they lack the data. Even if they had the data I am unsure as to what route they would take, but they stated at Blizzcon that they only have data from 1.8 and beyond.