I agree that you can use it to run 20’s. But I also think that the elementalist build is considerably better for M+.
The fact that over 99% of players in the game consider 20’s to be competitive perhaps lends more argument that the more casual players might be scrutinized more harshly for opting out of using the more competitive build.
I prefer the physical build and I think a healthy dialogue can take place regarding potential improvements for it that go beyond the typical “roll a Fury warrior”.
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That is competitive then for 99% of the player base lol.
It is better because it is consistent every single pull and you don’t have to manage any long CDs.
This is what WOW players need to get away from… It is competitive. You can do content with it. Do we need changes every week flopping back and forth over meta and everyone copying the .1%? No.
Do we need people crying over forums saying the build sucks then finding out they run ZERO AOE abilities besides Alpha Wolf… No.
Most of the time there is no discussion because one isn’t needed. Most of the time it is low players not using the correct builds or priorities and say the game is the issue.
Ohh not you posted the build that doesn’t run legacy of the frost witch and then called me dumb for not looking at it. So what’s your excuse?. Go on what’s the reasoning for not running it even saying you did lol as theirs not enough talent points go on I’m waiting.
You always change the subject every time you get called out, no why arnt you running legacy of the frost witch even after saying you can and have.
Ohh no I’m going off the build you posted you arnt gonna get out of it
Explain this please. Where am I trolling?, where is legacy of the frost witch?. I’m literally going off the information/build you provided.
I think you’re using the term “competitive” to strictly mean “capable of completing the content”. You could probably 4 man a 20. In fact people do this already via selling keys. Is 4 manning “competitive”? This isn’t exactly the context intended when using the word competitive. And then if you accept that a 20 can be 4 manned, then quite literally you can bring anything to be that 5th player.
The harder content gets, the more competitive group composition becomes, naturally. When content actually becomes hard will vary from player to player. I say you can bring a physical build to a 20 because a 20 is an easy key.
If we’re using 20’s to evaluate whether a build is competitive or not, we can’t mix the two metrics of success. It can’t both be “well for most players 20’s are actually hard” and “but I could do it”. Is Pepino not using the “correct” build or is the build competitive for a 20?
I think the lottery design of the build is very disappointing, personally. Just like you “don’t prefer Ascendance”, I don’t prefer the lottery aspect. But the best alternative is another semi-lottery: Hot Hands.
Having a conversation voicing these pain points, as you have voiced your own regarding your distaste for physical builds, isn’t problematic. You don’t like dropping Windfury, so you’ve opted to literally never drop it. Pepino literally mentions they don’t like dropping Windfury, and instead of clearly agreeing, you argue that we should just never drop it.
Every spec has pain points. You don’t have to agree with them all, but even you feel some of them without realizing it.
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Well firstly looks like a moderator had their work cut out for them, glad the thread can finally get back on track.
Secondly I’m talking beyond 20 keys, theirs a huge gap in between builds of dps, and it’s true the elemental build scale’s vastly better, theirs no doubt about it, but I’m talking about bringing up never picked talents up to be somewhat competitive in higher content.
Any build can work to get to 20 keys, that’s no secret, but past that is where you certain talents absolutely never picked strictly due to performance.
I mentioned even earlier I’d love even if it was 5% behind the meta build, but the difference is massive.