Allow us to do dungeons and raid with Opposite faction?

[Randolthor-stormrage (Randolthor)]

But what about when we’re not in a time of war? BfA is one expansion. Factions made no sense in Legion. And they’ll likely make no sense again in the expansion that comes after BfA.

There already was no point to factions, BfA just tried to force one.

When both factions were fighting the Legion it would have made total sense if we were raiding Antorus together.

[Pänic-blackrock (Pänic)]

I think this starts to dilute the importance of factional choice.

Would seem a little weird in a time of war to be doing dungeons together and helping each other. I know lore wise it somewhat happens but I think crossing that into mixed parties might be a step too far because then at that point there’s no real point to factions.

I understand that. I also think that it would be a cool idea for SOME dungeons. For instance, in Legion, we were busy fighting the Legion, not each other so it would have been kind of cool to have us team up for stuff like that. Especially, when Sylvanas and Varian worked together in the Legion cinematic to kill the infernal.

It would also be a unique dungeon experience because not EVERY dungeon would have this feature so only those dungeons would have that unique aspect.

I think it’s a very cool idea. Don’t care much for the Alliance or working with them but the idea is too cool for me to dismiss.

[Arshia-alexstrasza]

Not for pugs but for friends. I’d rather run my Nighborne with my friends on Alliance than try to find competent pug groups on Horde.

[anon44207803]

No real point to factions…well yeah there really hasnt been for some time.

Yet we team up in open world all the time, we play both sides, we all have Horde and Ally toons (well most of us), it seems silly on a “meta” level when the “enemy” is the guy or woman we raid with on both sides…this faction issue also PREVENTS us from helping our friends…TBH the faction war is old hat.

Yes yes I know its been the basis for the franchise, but to me on that level its counter intuitive…also to an extent it hampers social engagement.

Faction tap is an issue that hasnt gone away . faction tap is ANTISOCIAL as in it hampers outer world gaming where we help each other all the time.

Ive lost count of the number of times Ive been on a mob and an opposite member has stepped in, helped, / bowed or even /hugged and raced off on their way.

You know who you are, and I thank you , each and every one.

Ythisens, we just joined forces to wipe out a threat that wanted us all dead and then we go back to fighting each other?

Look at this as an example…remember Tarren Mill? The Legion invasions? We fought side by side, and back then I suggested a line of dialogue if we ever strayed into enemy territory…

“Wait…I know you…you were at Tarren Mill, driving back demons. You fought well that day and saved a lot of lives, for that I thank you. But I must ask you to leave…there are many here who still bear your people old grudges. You have one minute then I cannot answer for what happens. Go with honour”

An event like that would be remembered, and even though they are Horde or Alliance, many would know their names and remember them, the heroes who stood in harms way.

At some point, every war ends, Ythisens, every hatred loses its lustre, reality being what it is. The idea of a neutral faction has also been suggested, adventurers beholden to NEITHER side but prepared to do deeds for the good of Azeroth.

I get the H v A faction ideal , I get the core of the franchise…but havent we moved past that to an extent? To hark back to the social angle, it would ENCOURAGE social activities…how can i “hate” the opposite faction when I am talking to them on Discord?

sigh

[Wintel-frostmourne (Wintel)]

I think this starts to dilute the importance of factional choice.

Players choosing a faction doesn’t mean they are choosing to literally isolate/separate themselves from 50% of the playerbase in every aspect. It’s important for players to be able to play together in an MMO without arbitrary enforced barriers between interaction.

Would seem a little weird in a time of war to be doing dungeons together and helping each other.

What? This “time of war” has been going on since 1994 and the factions have helped each other countless times since then.

It’s especially strange thing to say in BFA when this “war” when 1 single badly-written NPC (i.e. Sylvanas) is the sole instigator here. I am not at war with the horde and considered things settled long ago. We are all playing exactly the same game and doing the same content, we face the same threats and have the same goals.

If and when we feel like testing our fighting prowess in a friendly rivalry, we do it in instanced PvP (arena/BG/etc).

I think crossing that into mixed parties might be a step too far because then at that point there’s no real point to factions.

What exactly IS the point to factions for all the people on PvE servers (vanilla - legion), and non-warmode folk (post BFA)? Really, what is the point of factions for them? When I see horde players in the world, I’m only reminded that I can’t interact with them at all for no good reason. When I open group-finder all I can think is “I could be seeing twice as many groups here, but the game has hidden them away from me”.

Factions should be about values and beliefs, not being forcefully isolated from half the playerbase. I understand WoW did this for a long time, but at this point it’s completely counter-intuitive in an MMO.

If Blizzard can’t bear the thought of letting the playerbase play together, at least make a 3rd neutral faction for players who have absolutely no interest in this “faction war” nonsense. An excuse that keeps popping up to justify splitting the playerbase in half. Let me opt-out of factions and interact with both.

Then watch as the neutral faction swiftly skyrockets in size and becomes bigger than horde/alliance combined, because it’s an MMO and people want to play together. That’s the bottom line. The faction war can continue to happen lore-wise and in cutscenes.

After we worked together to save the entire UNIVERSE in Legion, devs had the perfect opportunity to change things up with the factions…but instead they went backwards.

[Sinelus-moonrunner (Sinelus)]

I always liked the idea of having one toon per server that was a ‘traitor’, like an ally orc or something

Traitor blood elf in a heartbeat.

[Anufenrir-moon-guard (Anufenrir)]

Future expansion? I think once we’re done trying to kill each other for the last time we should actually start working together in game as well as in lore.

[Johnrin-moon-guard]

I think this starts to dilute the importance of factional choice.

Would seem a little weird in a time of war to be doing dungeons together and helping each other. I know lore wise it somewhat happens but I think crossing that into mixed parties might be a step too far because then at that point there’s no real point to factions.

I feel like it was skimmed over, the guy stated that it may not happen right now due to the faction war, but later on when we finally end this bickering of a war. Don’t get me wrong, BFA has a good concept, but we really need to end this Alliance VS horde issue… It’s starting to become repetitive and boring.

[anon44207803]

As I recall, the hippies were the core of the anti war movement of the 'Nam era. I remember the protests, I remember the songs, hippies may have been laughed at and ridiculed…but they were part and parcel of a movement that shaped an entire decade.

Hippies defied the draft, and right or wrong in your eyes, took a stance on a war they believed was immoral…agree with them or not, they had the courage of their convictions, along with the willingness to be jailed rather than take another’s life in a cause they did not believe in.

I was there in that age.

I remember them.

[Ék-duskwood (Ék)]

There isn’t really any that many points to having factions as it is. Sure having something like that wouldn’t really work as much with this expansion due to the sort of faction conflict going on. But maybe they can have it next expansion after we already learned there is some other big bad we need to team up to defeat again.

[Arshia-alexstrasza]

Traitor blood elf in a heartbeat.

It’s called a void elf

[Gnop-terenas (Gnop)]

I really enjoy WoW, but if they did away with factions, permitted horde and alliance to quest/raid/dungeon together, that would be the end of my fourteen year journey. So this “nobody” wants them to keep pushing the war narrative, please don’t try to speak for me.

[Arakrim-ragnaros (Arakrim)]

Because horde do not do that ever, like never ever

[Zenetta-proudmoore (Zenetta)]

I don’t think you being an actual member of the opposite faction when grouped would make sense, but I think expanding merc mode so you can appear as a member of their faction and join them is absolutely a good idea.

Letting you group with members of the other faction and do things with them wouldn’t ruin the game at all. Some people already play as both factions anyway. How many times have you heard someone called for “hero” or “heroism” when in a horde group? That’s more of a faction-breaking experience than grouping with someone who has some illusion up making them appear as a member of the other faction (even giving them the racials of that faction).

The people who care that much about it simply don’t have to use it and wouldn’t typically know that they were playing with someone in merc mode unless you told them. When I use to do merc mode BGs nobody ever really talked about it or asked. If they were a friend and didn’t want to group with you, knowing you were a member of the opposite faction, well, that’s a choice they can make but I doubt many would make it.

Have an NPC that transforms you into a member of the other faction temporarily and lets you group up to do PvE or queue for dungeons or organized PvP as the other faction. It could also make you hostile to your factions NPCs until you transform back. If the NPC was in a faction capital it could teleport you to the other factions capital and you’d have to talk to the NPC there to transform back and be teleported back. That way you couldn’t go merc mode to invade a city and right click off an illusion buff or whatever. You wouldn’t be able to do their faction specific quests and content, but you could do dungeons and other organized group content with them. Or, you could let them do faction specific quests in the mode I suppose and just let people explore both stories from one character if they wanted to (but that would probably require more technical changes I’d guess).

This would let you play with friends who play as the other faction as well without having to maintain alts of both factions.

Ideally even let us customize our own illusion of what we become instead of it being automatic like it is in the current very limited PvP merc mode. I’d prefer to be a gnome at all times when in merc mode.

[Oruonn-rexxar]

So?

I called him a hippie, in facetious manner, and you come in with your “I’m an old Aussie who remembers hippies” and then defines them.

I know who they were. My parents were hippies.

Man, what I wouldn’t give for you to retire from the forums.

[anon44207803]

Then send them my respects and thank them for me.

I was 13 when the war ended in 1975, it tore this nation apart. As Dickens so rightly put it

“It was the best of times…it was the worst of times…”

[anon44207803]

Man, what I wouldn’t give for you to retire from the forums.

Why? What would that serve?

[Pizzadahutt-lightbringer (Pizzadahutt)]

I think this starts to dilute the importance of factional choice.

Would seem a little weird in a time of war to be doing dungeons together and helping each other. I know lore wise it somewhat happens but I think crossing that into mixed parties might be a step too far because then at that point there’s no real point to factions.

I don’t see faction choice as something that needs to be “important”. I’d rather see factions go away except for PvP like how it is in ESO. When it comes to PvE we’re teaming up against the same bosses anyways (and I don’t want that to change) and I disagree with the very idea of dividing up the playerbase for anything but PvP.

The storyline for the faction war is terrible and needs to end. There’s nothing the devs can do to make me like the story of the faction war. I’d much rather go against a big bad like the Lich King, Sargeras, Illidan (BC), Deathwing, etc.

[Malvalen-sargeras (Malvalen)]

I think this starts to dilute the importance of factional choice.

Would seem a little weird in a time of war to be doing dungeons together and helping each other. I know lore wise it somewhat happens but I think crossing that into mixed parties might be a step too far because then at that point there’s no real point to factions.

I don’t know about others, but I would like to be able to withdraw from factions entirely - most people in my guild feel the same way (and we RP as faction-neutral). I really don’t like choosing a faction. I’ve never cared about the faction war. If there was a way to make that choice, it would make the game a lot more interesting to me.

[Nozomd-thorium-brotherhood (Nozomd)]

Suprised how many views this got and even more suprised I managed to get a blue to post in one of my topics on new fourms that is a first!!!

Old fourms I got a blue post on one of my other toons. But these new fourms had no luck until now.

On a side note mabey expanding merc mode like some above have suggested could work so opposite side dosent know your horde or alliance etc.