I seee no reason as to why we can’t do AQ40 on the PTR. The raid is old, we all know what it is and everyone will clear it in 1 day anyway. At least let us test it for bugs and allow us to practice for speed runs.
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They want to leave a little mystery about which version of Ch’thun will be released.
Hint: nerfed one, but they will tease it anyway.
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Blizz isn’t done bleeding people on the current staleness.
Hahahahahaha
You don’t speak for a majority of Classic’s population. I know a lot of guilds who cleared BWL in one day and won’t clear AQ40 it in the first week.
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Yeah, it might take two weeks.
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How about we get a pre-PTR so we can test for bugs and practice speed running before the PTR?
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The reason is obvious. IT’s going to be super easy and they don’t want people making it even easier by practicing it before it’s released.
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Honestly they haven’t been big on PTR for the top tier of raiding for a long time now. It’s probably just their default position not to put it up.
If they cleared BWL day one, then yes, they will clear AQ40 week one for sure. People are doing crazy DPS right now. Fights in AQ are going to be fast. Meaning healers don’t have to play efficiently. They just have to play smart and dump a ton of mana while using consumables. This is why the flash heal meta is so strong. Flash healing is better in ensuring people don’t die, but it’s not efficient healing. But fights are short so you don’t need to be efficient. Max fight length in AQ will probably be 3 minutes. Many will be around 2.
Fight length for most fights will probably be around 1:30. Bosses have the same HP as the drakes in BWL, Sartura has 740k. Bosses in AQ 40 are going to absolutely melt into mush.
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Last I was in AQ there were a LOT of bugs, big and small.
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I dont Blizz wants to cater people who want to do speed runs. I think they want the opening of the gates to be an epic event. I think its fine if they want to leave it off the ptr
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I LOL whenever I see people thinking your average classic guild will steamroll through AQ40 week 1. Need to start prepping to have enough popcorn ready for the drama and tears on streams.
Guilds who will fully clear it 1st reset 99% chance they already have done the raid plenty of times and have the experience from pservers, and have other means to practice speedruns if they really wanted to.
Depends on what metric you determine average by. A guild of parse-slaves could encounter their own unique problems as fights have mechanics where everyone has to be doing it right. DPS get greedy, or healers try to cheese, all for the sake of pushing that percentile a little harder, and lose sight of the primary goal: to kill the boss and get the loot.
Going for places on a leaderboard ought to wait until the place starts being cleared regularly anyways, but it wouldn’t surprise if some individuals get too greedy.
Playing too casually and not giving a crap could be just as bad as getting to invested in big numbers. We’re getting to the stage of raiding where self-sacrifices are made for the greater goal. As of now, everything has generally been on tanks, and somewhat healers. DPS have had an easy ride.
I don’t expect it to be of significant mechanical intensity like the chaos that retail raids are, but people will have to swallow their pride and do what’s necessary.
If having actual fight mechanics rids us of the parse cheeser meta I am here for it.
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Well, you will always have parsing in some form. Greedy players are the bane of every raid be it loot or DPS rankings. The issue is trying to cheese it to the detriment of the overall raid’s performance/fluidity. Things like focusing PI’s onto a single player, or doing a very annoying and unnecessarily risky boss strategy.
The latter is something that can be trial-and-error, as it’s always good to try and kill things quicker, but limits to a raid group’s tolerance must be known. A boss strategy may be quicker, but it could also incredibly annoying.
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90%+ of classic’s playerbase. There’s not really a good metric to define average, but certainly guilds that have decent speedrun times and which members bring consumables, world buffs on the regular, and that have no sub blue parsers are gonna struggle less.
In K3 (vanilla blizzlike pserver) <20 guilds fully cleared AQ40 within the month of gates opening. But I highly doubt that meta is going anywhere. Not saying AQ40 is impossible to clear either, but it is a significant step up in difficulty and it’ll definitely take much longer to be on farm status compared to mc and bwl.
They’re probably doing it so people don’t see it cleared on the PTR, think it’s going to be too easy and then unsub immediately.
I dunno, I don’t think it really hurts parser guilds to not have it on the ptr. They end up doing their practice week one instead of beforehand on the ptr.
What it really hurts are the guilds that run into bugs (and not the quiraji kind- the developer kind). They’ll just get screwed in the live game instead of having a chance to fix it beforehand.
This is one of the only decisions actiblizz has made in a long time Ive actually agreed with. AQ40 for vanilla isn’t “known”, you just want it made as easy as possible. Hiding exactly how hard it is and the differences between vanilla and pservers is a great idea.