I’m super down with Darkfallen.
Worgen NE’s isn’t the most inspired pick, but it wouldn’t be the worst AR so far, and Worgen don’t exactly have a lot of other options.
They’d have do like the Void Elves and make a new race entirely out of nowhere. Like a race of Worgen that turns into a different type of dog…like some werejackals.
By the way the races of Azeroth perceive it, yes it does. Humans don’t see the forsaken or Gilneans as humans, even though they had been humans. They see them as undead and worgen. Same with the elves, they don’t see them as elves anymore.
As for you Syaeles, can’t really say I share your view on the matter. And it wouldn’t be retconning, it’s already been established. You saw the video earlier on the subject. Not retconning, building on lore, because in BFA we’ve already moved past the lore of the early warcraft games. Stories moving forward, so it’s entirely possible things could change.
So… what are Death Knights? Forsaken?
The video I saw showed a Night Elf being cured of the Worgen Curse. It did nothing to establish if the it gives them the same kind of control over transforming back and forth that Gilneans have. Nor do I believe that any Night Elf would even want to.
First off the story of the worgen curse isn’t in the Warcraft RTS games. It’s established in one of the canon novels. Second if we’re going back and changing old story because BfA is moving forward and we’re making changes then we’re retconing. Do you even know what retconing means?
The Night Warrior ritual and the darkening eyes it bestows Night Elves fighting in Elune’s name at Darkshore is not reconning, it’s just new lore. There could be new lore for Night Elves that can transform back and forth between Night Elves and worgen. That wouldn’t be a retcon, just new lore.
I could see Nelf Worgen with silver, jade and purple furs with Night Elven symbols that seem to glow with moon light. I think it would be also pretty cool if you could use black eyes after unlocking the Night Warrior customization.
A San’layn and Worgen pairing might be pretty cool. They are both monsters in the eyes of their elvish counter parts. The Night Elf Worgen would undoubtedly have a connection to nature or life magic where the San’layn would have a perverse connection to life magic(via blood magic).
No it would be retconing because lore already states that the Night Elves afflicted with the Worgen curse, the original worgen that spread it to the Gilneans, are incapable of changing back because they lost themselves fully to the curse and have been feral for to long. Suddenly coming out and going “Actually they can change back into Night Elves here you go have them as playable” would be a retcon. I don’t get how this is hard for you people to understand.
DK’s are undead. That should have been obvious. The reason this class exists on both faction is because lore wise, these guys had nowhere else to go. They were abandoned by the Lich King, and sought out a new purpose for their existence. They joined back up with their respective factions because each still felt a bond or connection to their previous lives. Even still now, the other races see them as a threat.
Syaeles I wasn’t implying retcon, I’m saying we’ve already moved past the events of the old games as a means to communicate, “What had once been may not be the case now.” It’s not implying retcon, it implies that the world could change over time. A natural occurence you’d see in our own. The story of Warcraft is ever changing and evolving. Anything is possible, hell we got alternate time line orcs, void infused elves, and light forged undead that exist in WoW’s universe, playable nelf worgen wouldn’t be impossible.
Death Knights are undead, yes, but they aren’t considered a different race from those which they originated from. An Orcish Death Knight is still considered an Orc, still has Orcish traits. A Worgen Death Knight is still considered a Worgen, still has Worgen traits.
Forsaken are a faction of undead humans. That doesn’t make them a new race, they’re still humans. They’re not considered monsters for being undead, they’re monsters because they behave like the Scourge.
You are implying a retcon. This is the literal definition of a retcon.
If this is considered a retcon, it’s already a retcon that has been made. Or it’s simply new lore as per the video linked that they can be helped to get back to Night Elf form.
If these de-feralized Night Elves can switch back and forth that would be new lore independent of the already established fact that they can be brought out of Worgen form.
Yes they are.
Oh, so you acknowledge nelf worgen as nelves now. What happened to your argument about them not being elves like the San’layn are for the Horde?
Correction, Forsaken are all undead with free will who join up with the Horde’s cause. They’re not just dead humans, they’re also dead elves, and any other undead that joins under their banner. They are united as a race exactly because the other races see them as unholy creatures or do not accept them. The trust between the forsaken and the Horde has always been shaky, even with all that’s past. And for good reason, do you see any other race do what the forsaken do to their enemies?
Syaelis…you’re an elf, don’t you think times have changed in the last ten thousand years if Azeroth?
No, they’re not. They even share the same racials are their races…
I didn’t? I have no idea how you came to this conclusion. I said Worgen Death Knights are still Worgen…
So you agree that there is a distinction between Undead Races? You just said they’re undead humans and elves and any other race. They’re undead races.
Therefor, San’layn are Undead Elves. Still Elves.
two things come to mind
First, Gilneas is spoken for in their contribution to allied races. It was Genn that recruited the kul tirans, not Anduin. Furthermore, Gilneas and Kul tiras share a common ancestry; Nobble recently posted a video on this.
The only race that has a transform ability - like that of the worgen, from human to wolf - with the addition of being relevant to the current content patches to come would be the k’thir, and they could work as the undead allied race.
Given Sylvannus and Ashvane’s recent conversation, along with knaifu, having humans that turn into squid faces upon entering combat would give the horde their own form of transformer race.
Second, elves are undoubtedly the most exciting race in WoW, with a number of variants and possibilities that seem endless. No question vampire elves and beastial nelf wolves would be appealing, but this would be the second set of allied races based around elves, totaling 6 distinct elf races.
There is also high elves or even half elves to consider if they ever get their day.
With that said I would really dig Goldrinn Elves, especially if they were permanently stuck in wolf, having forgotten their way back to their humanoid form.
Stormwind human’s in turn may be getting these rumoured lightforged undead, with models similar to nathanos and the newly tuned derek proudmoore.
Without reading the other responses in this thread:
Nelves Worgen should’ve happened during War of Thorns, it makes no sense to keep them asleep when there’s a treatment.
However it most likely wont happen because they look exactly like Gilnean worgen, so it’d just be redundant.
I think the visuals are the most important aspect to linking an allied race to its parent one. Night elf worgen and saberon would be a sub-type of worgen just because they’d both use the worgen base for their abilities.
San’layn might -technically- be undead, but if they’re standing up straightish like a blood elf and using their animations, they’d just be another blood elf allied race and not undead. I’d only consider them an undead allied race if they actually used forsaken animations and posture.
That’s game mechanics you’re talking about. If you’re talking how in-game they are perceived, they’d be seen as undead. You as the player are only seeing them as the player, not how their respective societies view them.
I never denied them their heritage, just called them by their technical term. Yes, a dk worgen was a worgen, in the eyes of his culture he isn’t though. All Dk’s are considered undead, that is their prime designation. If you wanna get specific, you say undead worgen to differentiate them. It’s like humans in that sense. There’s black, white, brown, yellow, undead use their former heritage. That’s their skin color.
Now before we go further down this rabbit hole, can you concede that nelf worgen would be a reasonable addition next to San’layn. This discussion seems to have gotten off topic as for why we got into it.
I’m afraid I cannot. My opinion remains unchanged. San’layn should be paired with High Elves, and those two should be the final elven additions to this game.
Did i ever said that they make sense? Pretty sure that my last thread are about how they dont make sense!! Try again with your bland argument.
could you be consistent in your argument it would make you more credible.
My argument is that dying and being raised doesn’t change your race, but being transformed by a curse into a different race, does change your race.