That’s beyond my pay grade. Forgiveness comes from the gods. I dispense wrath, pain, suffering, and death (as needed).
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They really need to stop writing such stupid stories where everyone has to hold onto the idiot ball.
Faction War is awful, because they can’t just nut up and let one faction win. It’s always this wishy-washy half baked idea where nothing ever happens and power levels fluctuate worse than an episode of DBZ.
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Considering we the players do not control the flow of the story, it doesn’t matter what we decide.
I’m sure the end of this will be just like the end of mop where Anduin will spare Sylvanas, talk about Honor, and promise that the Alliance will always be there to defeat the horde.
Technically, we let them have another chance already after Garrosh, and happened originally with Thrall after Dark Portal if you really want to analyze it. I like Saurfang and don’t think he would ever really act out of his current character, but it the story would just read “and the Alliance pardoned the new horde again”
Then again, Alliance has had a couple guys turn bad too I think. At least Staghelm, but he was far from a major threat.
Sorry for the late reply, i missed it on the day.
It took me 9 for what i have plus i got the cloak from this weeks Overwhelming odds.
Unfortunately im still missing the belt.
After Sylvanas finally shatters, I will respect the Horde that chose Saurfang–for all they want is peace and safety for their people, and will not go out of their way to invade a peaceful land and light their children on fire.
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When you’ve played WoW as long as I have. You realize that there’s no reason to forgive the Horde who does nothing to make up for the mistakes they caused.
- Theramore’s explosion
- Teldrassil’s Burning
- Southshore’s Plaguing
- Pandaria Excusions
The Horde has done nothing to even remotely rectify their mistakes or make efforts to fix the ill will towards them. Though the game may force the alliance to forgive; I would find it entirely, and certainly reasonable to never forgive the Horde.
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Well, you keep switching to “blame” and “responsibility”, I have to say that it feels like you are trying to change the issue.
If you want to argue that the Horde must be dismantled because it has produced bad leaders for the world. Then the same argument applies to monarchies. The fact that this also applies to the Zandalari (it isn’t clear at all that the Tauren High Cheiftan is the same as a king), doesn’t make any difference. It sill means you aren’t arguing to dismantle the Horde but also the Alliance High King and the Zandalari monarchy.
Though, to be honest, what the Horde really needs is for the writing team to stop hitting them with the Villain bat.
Noone is saying the Horde is bad because of it’s style of government. Airc said that the Horde’s government is responsible for all of the Horde government’s bad actions over the course of WoW.
You made the argument that that’s no different than blaming the Alliance for Arthas which is not comparable, as Arthas has nothing to do with the modern Alliance. Style of government has absolutely no relation to this.
Otherwise I suppose France is responsible for every bad thing the U.S. has done and vice versa because we’re both republics?
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I would forgive them, then turn them into undead and make them serve the Ebon Blade!
Then we’d attack the Alliance and turn them undead to serve the Ebon Blade!
And then…I will be…The Lich Queen!!!
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It took me 20 tries to complete the set lol .
If I had any say (which obviously I don’t) the Horde would be dismantled, their leadership that’s complicit with the genocide in Teldrassil (sylvanas and saurfang) would be hanged, and the Forsaken exterminated. Anyone else in the Horde that can’t survive without the support of a larger military coalition can join the Alliance assuming the bad blood isn’t so severe that a preexisting member of the alliance doesn’t veto their entry. If they’re vetoed they’re on their own, and if they try to form a new horde the Alliance swiftly breaks their back.
If Blizz wants to continue to do this they really shouldn’t write our characters as the heroes of Azeroth. If a faction war was what they wanted in BfA then then maybe having us be neutral leaders of our own class halls in Legion was a bad choice. There was no transition from Legion to BfA in game. Just this abrupt change that made our characters look pretty stupid. There are novels to fill in the blanks but if it’s important to the story for the story to make sense, PUT IT IN THE GAME. I already wasn’t going to pay for BfA, a friend bought it for me, so I’m certainly not going to buy a novel when the entire premise for BfA is a huge turn off for me.
A major part of this game is that it’s an RPG. To hinder that to the degree they are defeats the purpose of the game being an RPG where we play our own characters. It also has the side effect of insulting your player base. Before I could ignore certain aspects of the story because they simply didn’t affect me. Maybe I’ve changed too much for the game. I’m not totally sure, but I will sit back and watch how it plays out.
Truces do fall easily- when Genn breaks them to try to assassinate the warchief.
You keep going on about how peace treaties don’t matter and people break them all the time and other nonsense.
But at no point are you even trying to address the point- the treaty was to end war between them to deal with the Legion, and the first side to break that was the Alliance. Genn did that with Alliance troops, an Alliance ship, and the lack of repercussion means he had the Alliance’s blessing.
As for why Sylvanas agreed to meet after the treaty was broken- while a peace treaty does prevent one side from attacking the other (it’s literally what it is meant to do), a treaty being broken doesn’t prevent you from meeting.
It’s a fact that Genn’s attack is the first after the treaty, and because of that, it’s a fact that the Alliance broke the treaty and started this war. Blizzard trying to ignore/retcon that, and the Alliance ignoring it doesn’t change anything.
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You and Syl destroyed my Gilneas! Burn parasite!
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It’s very sad that your version is not the one that really matters more than the one in the story!
I never saw this treatise and I have never seen any character evoke or quote this treatise, but that’s okay!
Let’s agree that you believe I’m wrong and you’re right about your view of things, since you do not accept that the horde is accountable for everything that’s going on and why Genn punished Syl for his bad deeds in past, and this is related to the current moment or serves as a crutch for his defense.
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There comes a point where you have to forgive someone.
No.
Horde as a faction needs to be dismantled.
Never never in my life .I will burn silvermoon to the ground