Alliance, would you forgive the Horde?

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Well that’s all way off the topic of the op.

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This is forgetting a LOT of things:

A.) , though they entered an armistice/tenuous peace again for all intents and purposes, even up to the Gathering in Arathi which otherwise wouldn’t have happened if they’d been at war ever since Stormheim, and then Sylvanas argued with Saurfang that peace could never last, but obviously she grasped at the single straw she could i.e. the attack in Stormheim as proof that the Alliance as a whole could not be held in check, in a moment of cosmic hypocrisy that silenced Saurfang and conveniently shoved the unjustified, unpunished invasion of Gilneas years ago under the carpet, while conveniently painting Greymane’s attack on her after the Broken Shore which never got closure as enough justification for a preemptive strike.

B.) The real issue in Legion is the bad writing. All the sudden, all magic and technological communicators cease to exist… during a war. Gnome tech and Goblin tech are no where to be seen. For convenience sake, they must have left all their devices to communicate in their other pants. The real group to break the truce was the Blizzard writers because the entire situation made zero sense lorewise.

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after each and every one of you punches Sylvanus in the lady balls and roll naked through the smoldering embers Teldrassil.

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Thanks :stuck_out_tongue:

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Your words, not mine. The events of Ashran ended the truce, however they worked together at the broken shore.

I love it when people snip a tiny part of a large post and then claim it proves their point. You may have a future in the mainstream media.

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In truth, the armistice for the Legion invasion was never properly established. Again, both factions are victims of poor writing but nothing beats the fact that a world of magic and machines conveniently left all means of communication in their other pants.

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For the alliance to “win”

  1. Defeat Sylvanas
  2. Capture or kill all the Horde
  3. Indoctrine the prisoners towards Alliance beliefs.
  4. Kill the ones who won’t convert
    a) all the forsaken will be dead due to the Alliance’s repulsion of them
    b) the Bloods Elves will put on their High Elf hats and join
    c) the Tauren and their Highmountain brothers will probably join
    d) Your gonna have to kill the trolls (good luck with that)
    e) Your gonna have to kill the orcs
    f) The Nightborne will follow the Blood Elves and join
    g) The goblins will join
    h) the horde pandas will turn alliance

If you can make all that happen the Alliance will win

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I’ll spare you to show how merciful we are. You’ll be Jaina’s new boy toy. Yes, she likes green we all know It.:wink:

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Unless they summon a magic dragon and use their wishes to bring back Teldrassil, Astranaar, and all the night elves who died in those places- and maybe wish me a toasty Quiznos sub while they’re at it, I highly doubt it.

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We never forget ,we never forgive .

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Watch The Watchmen. All it would take is one common enemy to create peace. However, this could never be achieved so long as Sylvanas wages war against the living. In the novel, she HATES the old Horde and, in particular, the Tauren but uses them as a tool to keep the Forsaken alive. Keep in mind, without the faction conflict, the Forsaken would die off. They NEED the war in order to keep reproducing their kind.

This is why all out peace is completely possible with the large factions but completely impossible on a sub-faction basis.

Sylvanas leaned over to Nathanos and whispered in his ear, “I am so weary of drums.” To her, it was the unifying sound of the “old Horde”—the orcs, the trolls, and the tauren, of course, seemed to be willing to happily bang on the drums at any time. Now, at least, they were not the thuddingly loud war drums of the orcs but soft, steady drumming as Archdruid Hamuul Runetotem droned on about the “tragedy of Silithus.”

As far as Sylvanas was concerned, what had happened wasn’t really tragic at all. In her opinion, a crazed titan plunging a sword into the world had been a gift. She was keeping Gallywix’s discovery quiet until she was certain about how the peculiar material could be properly utilized for maximum benefit to the Horde. Gallywix had told her he had “people on that, too.”

Also, what was in Silithus, really, but giant bugs and Twilight cultists, both of which the world was better without? But the tauren in particular, whose people had given the Horde its original druids and who had lost several members of the Cenarion Circle, had been devastated at the loss of life.

Sylvanas had graciously sat through a ritual to honor and soothe their troubled spirits. And now she was listening to—and expected to approve—plans to send more shaman and druids to Silithus to investigate, all because Hamuul Runetotem had had a terrible dream.

“The spirits cry out,” Hamuul was saying. “They died in an effort to protect the land, and now only death inhabits that place. Death and pain. We must not fail our Earth Mother. We must re-create the Cenarion Hold.”

Baine was watching her closely. Some days she wished he would just follow his big, bleeding heart and turn the tauren to the Alliance. But her disdain for the tauren’s gentleness did not eclipse her need of them. As long as Baine remained loyal—and thus far he was, where it counted—she would use him and his people to the Horde’s advantage.

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the other way Horde would you forgive Alliance? no we wont

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I hope all of this leads a third faction system. The new (new) Horde consisting only of living members, the Forsaken on their own with new undead skins of Horde and Alliance races, and the Night Elves, outraged at Anduin’s decision not to punish the Horde, going off to do their own thing.

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As stated, “The Horde” is not the people. I would forgive the races, but I would also demand the complete dismantling of the existing leadership, and assist in developing a more reasonable government.

The tribal nations have cultures that need to be preserved, but they also need to have a working system with which to interact with other systems. The Alliance’s system isn’t perfect, of course, but it’s ill suited to dealing with tribal law and structure. Unfortunately, I’d place the onus on the horde to change, given that they have been the problem so many times.

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Even better than that, the races have little to do with the actual conflicts (save for the Forsaken and even they attempted peace and were slaughtered by Sylvanas). In actuality, there is no reason those whom follow the light would team up and break bread with those whom follow the void. Groups should be split on Classes, not on races at this point.

Legion had it spot on with Class Halls and Class Fantasy.

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Part of it is that this attitude helped start the war. It was what convinced Saurfang that war was inevitable.

And if the Horde government as whole owns Sylvanas, then the Alliance owns Arthas. And I think that wins the “bad for Azeroth” contest.

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Was Arthas ever high king of the alliance? And did we helped him and his scourge to blight azeroth?

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Before. In spite of spin on the matter, the killing of Goblin miners (so you could loot their corpses) occurred when Azerite was a "mysterious substance). The Explorer’s league expedition didn’t occur until after Magni had explain exactly what it was.

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No, it was definitely the alliance doing so.

He was using one of the Alliance’s big ships full of well armed Alliance soldiers. Despite attempting to assassinate the warchief during a peace treaty… there was never, at any point, any indication of repercussions.

If that was honestly something the Alliance didn’t want, there would have been a punishment, but there never was.

Now, saying he’s justified because of his family- perhaps… but that doesn’t change that he started this war. If he had objected to the peace treaty by leaving the Alliance and then attacked, that would be different.

He’s one of the highest members of the Alliance- what he does represents them.

Even so- you say wouldn’t you do the same…

Well, if someone tried to kill your leadership immediately after signing a peace treaty, wouldn’t you consider that an act of war? I sure as hell would.

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There’s nothing to forgive. The Horde didn’t choose this crappy storyline. The question is would I forgive Blizzard.

I’m still ruminating on that.

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