You going to answer the question or not?
Because you’re the one who wants to argue that what the Horde could hypothetically do with the wall jump is on the same level as to what the Alliance can and will actually do
Seems clear Blizzard doesn’t want premades in AV, based on their recent hotfix (getting rid of numbers and adding an internal queue were an obvious effort to break premades). So they’ll “fix” it again. And probably again.
But whether premading is an exploit is, sadly, irrelevant. They won’t action anyone for it. They can’t really use Discord to ban people. That’s the service provider equivalent of “outside our jurisdiction.”
I’m not the one claiming one is more impactful than the other. Your attempt to downplay one while exaggerating the other doesn’t change whether they are an exploit or not.
The intent of the patch was indeed obvious: to prevent AV matches from starting with less than 10 players after a 30+ player premade dropped the queue when it popped.
That issue is now 100% fixed: no Alliance games start with less than 20 players and no AV games start imbalanced by player totals.
Had some close games but without a Zerg to Drek, Alliance cannot push into horde base the same way horde can wall exploit into base, take bunkers and station.
Not to mention noticing 4-10 afkers every game.
I want everyone to take a good look at this guy. This guy, along with his sperg guild, who transferred on Heartseeker, so he can talk trash. Yikes.
Heartseeker alliance big lel. There is nothing else that comes as close to cowardice as this.
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Me, I’ve been winning roughly 60%+ of the time. My server is small, and thus there’s a limited PVP community, so we can’t always stack our best comp, but I’d say our winrate when we do is close to 80%.
But you know what I’ve seen while in Warsong Gulch? I regularly see Horde FCs exploiting terrain to climb cliffs, duck into safespots, and so on. I realize that isn’t all Horde, and I’ve seen an Alliance player or two do it as well (not on my server, but pugs), but I see it way more from Horde.
It’s getting a bit off-topic though, because as things currently stand, AV is all but unplayable as pug Alliance, unless you want to get bottled up and force-turtled by Horde who them proceed to farm you until they cap everything, and do their utmost to deny you every last scrap of honor. I’ve literally been chased near the entire length of the map by Horde who were utterly determined to kill a lone alliance player, even if the time spent probably cost them twice as much honor from killing elsewhere.
Great, we’re on the same page about that then. Because as I’ve already said multiple times that the wall jump is an exploit. As I stated in one of my first posts I think Classic exploits have to be looked at in a case by case situation because there’s the discussion of “Do we leave it alone because it was in Vanilla or does this go against the spirit of the game?”. It’s a grey area. For me behavior that greatly deviates from what was able to be accomplished in Vanilla is stuff I think Blizzard should look at even if that is simply through playing the game in a more coordinated way through third party software like Discord.
I feel like only someone who isn’t playing AV would think that it’s an exaggeration to think that premade AVs strategy isn’t far more impactful than the Horde Wall jump.
The point I am trying to make is that the wall jump Horde can do is well documented since Vanilla and very well known to the playerbase. If they wanted to fix it I guess I wouldn’t really care, I almost never try for it. Personally I think the one that should be fixed more than anything is the WSG wall jump because that one is far more impactful than the AV wall jump could ever hope to be.
You’re making a pretty big assumption/inference here - that the things they did were expressly intended to prevent premade groups, rather than to eliminate the problems the methods used to generate those groups was causing (i.e., scuffed/empty lobbies).
After all, Blizzard doesn’t care if a game gets stocked with pugs vs premades whatsoever in other Battlegrounds, despite the fact that they easily could implement such things. If anything, I would argue that a situation where one faction is winning 99% of all the games (like we’ve seen without premades) is far worse than one where both sides win some games and lose some games in the overall tally.
You do realize that the hill behind the south bunker is still a viable way of getting into the alliance base in retail as of today. It takes more effort because blizz made it higher
It hurts alliance because it messes with the pvp brackets and pve content. PvEers can get rank 12-14, have BIS gear and prevent others from ranking. If this premade is the meta then everyone is forced to do it to rank
welfare zerg epics
Horde: We demand balanced queues! The Alliance is exploiting to play together!
Also Horde: No, no. Let’s leave the Stormpike Aid Station backdoor alone. It’s already too unfair for the Horde to force a turtle and win by terrain attrition.
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The days of Horde pvp ownership of the battlefield are gone. They care more now for ownership of Classic GD by flood of tears.
Well done. To evolve into cry-bullies would be a huge step up.
Horde: loses a bg
Horde: “wait what? Blizzard start banning these people”
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Anyone suggesting that Blizzard has a problem with premades as a general concept are fooling themselves. The issue that they fixed this week was to prevent premades from screwing over puggers. Puggers would start a game on Alliance with 5-10 players and be at an automatic disadvantage. The removal of the queue number @ pop fixed that issue now that premades can’t coordinate dropping the queue when there weren’t enough participants in voice. Blizzard did not try and has no appetite for preventing premades all together.
tl;dr; Horde need to git gud and l2pvp
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So there is NOTHING else going on? No tricks, no exploits? This entire topic is about losing a BG fair and square? Nice straw-man attempt.
Also lets not forget. Here is a recording of their Discord and how they perform the exploit. https://youtu.be/uCWJlYPcjV4
This will be patched, because the allies are morons. Why would you brag about this?
You shoulda just remained silent you could have cheated for a lot longer. Now you’re going to go back to your 0% win rates once bliz hotfixes it. And then straight back to the “please bliz nerf horde so we can win a game” QQ
All they’d need to do to fix empty lobbies is not let the game start without enough people in it, but they also removed AV numbers. What’s the point of removing AV numbers if not to expressedly impact premade capabilities?
They also decided to let people queue up as parties for AV so that a small group of friends could queue into the same group still, but that massive groups couldn’t. That seems to a compromise sort of change if you ask me.
AB and WSG was always intended to allow premades whereas they intentionally didn’t give AV that capability back in Vanilla because it was supposed to be this big epic clusterfudge of a BG.
The fix was for alliance pugs getting put into games with 15v40. This has been fixed. There is nothing left to fix because nothing else is broken. There is no premade exploit