Alliance epic bgs are a "revolving door" of players

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@Squeek, the hours I play (always feel I should clarify that), the only times I’ve seen pug horde lose AV are when:

  • they are too dumb to prioritize defense at the start of the game (which prevents ‘old fashioned’ alliance zerg wins)
    and
  • they lack healers (3 healers vs. alliance’s 8+ makes a difference)

Otherwise, horde should always win pug vs. pug AV.

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If you have enough alts it’s technically more efficient to afk out of losing BG’s and hop to another character till you get a winning one.

I personally have no interest in comebacks or close games. I want to dominate games. If I get a hint that my team is bad, I afk out and move on.

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Run away little girl, run away… oqueue memories.

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I don’t understand this mentality at all.
This just says you quit unless you are carried.

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If all things are equal (healers, dps etc.) then horde should win more but never always.

Alliance is REFUSING to adapt. So many things they could do to give themselves a chance and they won’t do it. That’s a player problem. Both teams need to read and react to what the other is doing and communicate properly. The team that does that better wins.

Alliance used to back cap while horde rarely did. It’s the opposite now. Maybe most of them switched horde but that’s not an excuse. The ones who are there need to pick up that slack.

I’ve won 3 of the last 4 pug games in there I’ve run (but lost a god bit before). Granted I don’t do many epics anymore since WG came into it. I Will go on the attack with the team if everyone else does but after pushing into their first towers I try to get some to back cap with me. When I can, our chances go up big time.

I’m sure you’ve been in ally side and seen how the chat goes. Residents of the shallow end of the gene pool for certain many times. It’s not the map advantages for horde. The alliance players have got to stop being so damn stubborn and LEARN how to play the map. And most important, they got to learn to read the situation at hand and react instead of whining like babies. When they do that they got at least a 40-45% shot at winning if the horde team isn’t godawful.

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There’s definitely a player problem, but I agree that pug vs. pug, horde should never lose. Defense for horde is that much easier than it is for alliance. SH is too exposed to be as easy to defend as IB.

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Teach the locks to put up the gates into IBGY and you effectively flank them almost as well as we get flanked at shgy. Got to have an equal number at minimum to break through but as you know, once you do and if you can hold it, the advantage switches to alliance.

Defending is more like putting out fires alliance side. Got to stay focused and aware. Do that and alliance should win at least some of the games since all things are never equal.

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Alliance defending SH is spread out to, like you said, put out fires but there is a good chance one of those fires will get away from them. Horde can stay tightly grouped to defend IB. If alliance win a defensive game pug vs pug, horde failed at using the map.

Alliance definitely need to step up their game in AV, but defensive games are just not on their side.

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You know it may just come down to which side has fewer people willing to take 45+ minutes to slug it out :laughing:

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Not only that, but Alliance that actually call for defense or even just suggest different strats are just shouted down by the PUGs most of the time, and the “loudest” trolls in the starting cave/chat end up dictating how the opener plays out (usually poorly) :roll_eyes:

Once they wipe and “involuntarily” end up on defense, most of these same loud-mouthed dudes from the chat mysteriously disappear from the match :joy:

“__________ has left the instance group.”

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Casually stated that horde play the long game and alliance play the rush to try and make a short game but end up making it a long loss game and was promptly booted :tipping_hand_man:

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OMG I hate this so much.

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meanwhile on horde

Horde player A: 10-15 on D, rest O

Horde player B: dolly and dot are my best friends

Horde player C: they pull my wagon through dunes of sand

Horde player D: lock rocks?

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@Squeek, yep, I hear you about the backcap thing. Maybe I should try asking in chat more. JMO the tough part is getting a couple alliance healers to go. If just a few DPS go they get picked off easily. In a really good game a while back, someone coordinated with maybe 5 other stealthies to wait beneath SHB till the horde zerg left the bunker, then they went in and recapped it easily. I’m pretty sure that one action won us the game because it put us ahead of the curve with tower burning.

I think alliance’s main problem is they do not want to unite around a plan that is sound. Most games I see three or more different strategies being called out at the start - some of which don’t make much sense -, an assortment of trolling and defeatism, and then everyone runs off down the path not knowing what the plan is. I know which plan(s) I prefer but I’m not sure if even 10 other people would agree with doing it. Also, alliance strat generally depends on what the horde choose to do. If the horde decide to heavily defend their choke, the alliance must heavily defend also, or they end up feeding reinforcements into the hungry maws of IB choke/IBT. However, many alliance do not understand that basic concept. It is very difficult to work with players that cannot learn this kind of thing on their own - through logic. I still think there must be some age/schooling differential that is the cause of them not knowing how to think for themselves.

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This is like the Horde phenomenon, but worse. With Horde AVs back in the day, I could call out for a handful to come TP with me, or a group to go Galv and we’d have a good chance to win. Now, people don’t even listen, and when they do we just don’t have enough to do anything. I’m legit stumped on a surefire way for Alliance to win AV, but I feel it takes a lot more than a good 10 players which may be the issue. Should add, did win an AV with Tribbie and Molly tonight by holding back a bunch at SHB from the get go. We also had great offense that pushed towers, rather than sitting at one at a time.

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That is not something that ever happens in bgs. How could you know if your not playing Ally?

Posting a thread on a level 10 character just tells me you want conversation.

I still win way more than i lose in bgs.

Lower brackets are a different story.

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You must be a new or returning player, because Alliance loses most epic bgs from what I’ve seen :thinking:

If you are a returning player, i regret to inform you that times have changed (in AV especially)

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Without losses how can one appreciate wins?

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Look at this troll with a 75% winrate in Wintergrasp, propagating “losing is more fun! Alliance is so unappreciative! I can’t even relate!”

:roll_eyes:

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Yeah I’ve always had good win rates no matter what faction. I’m very vocal and very (politely) insistent on things we should do.

I even spilled the beans on my strategy in another thread. Have at.