Alliance bias was a problem since MoP

I can only assume Rokhan and Eitrigg are able to be replaced. :thinking:

While i don’t want to engage in the “who’s had it worst between the horde or the alliance”, I do definively agree that blizzard has thrown away too many big protagonists too fast.

As nazgrim has been cited in this post, I wish he would still be here accompagning the horde character in some questing zone like the good old times with its antagonist Taylor.

Also why would I invest myself emotionnaly to in game characters when blizzard can just decide to throw them out of the game by surprise or either completly ruin a character story telling (looking at you sylvanas).

I haven’t been able to have a big liking on a character since a long time because of that writing style. However i have no idea how blizzard could solve a “oops killed too much people” issue, those characters are already gone and killing more people would only make the issue worse.

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They WERE NEVER HORDE. How are you going to mourn a “Horde leader” who were NEVER A PART OF IT? Do you even know WarCraft history or are you just making assumptions based on race?

Kael’thas was ALLIANCE, my dude. As were all the Blood Elves, before they even took the name Blood Elves. He broke off because of a single racist, bigoted Alliance commander that the Horde love to play up like he was typical of the faction when in fact he was not only dismissed for his actions but later died due to them.

Kael’thas allied with Illidan, who was absolutely not an Alliance or Horde character. Who was in turn allied with the Burning Legion. But Illidan was actually allied only as a means to betray them. Kael’thas, on the other hand, decided he wanted more power and allied directly with the BL.

Kargath was a member of Gul’dan’s Horde. NOT Thrall’s Horde, the one ALL Horde players are in. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand the political differences there? Horde players lean so heavily on the distinction between the old Horde/Thrall’s Horde to excuse the demon blood-drinking, world-enslaving, warmongering savage barbarians they are, its hilarious seeing one trying to claim Kargath as a “Horde leader” in Thrall’s Horde. The one YOU are playing in; not Kargath’s.

I’m convinced you know little actual lore and are just spouting garbage for attention.

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That’s a nice rant and all. Now are you going to name all the alliance leaders that got villain batted or not?

THAT was my question. Not what you just blabbered out

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Oh, are you talking to me? I could, but why should I at this point? I gave a legitimate reply to the OP and you just dismissed it as stuff I “blabbered out.”

You’re doing what’s called arguing in bad faith, homie. And that means literally nothing I say makes a damn to you because you’re just going to dismiss it and argue anyway. So no, I don’t think I will.

They’re there, though. If you didn’t have Horde-tinted sunglasses only you’d know them.

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All I asked you to do is name the alliance leaders that got villian batted.

And you can’t even do that. :sunglasses:

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I can. But your reply ensured I won’t even bother. Protip: Look up the definition of bad faith argument. There’s literally no point in even acknowledging you exist at this point.

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Asking you to backup a claim is not arguing in bad faith.

You just got called out and now you’re attempting to backtrack on your claim.

Next time don’t make a claim if you aren’t going to back them up with actual evidence.

Getting mad at me for asking you to backup a claim that YOU made is one of the most ludicrous things I’ve seen so far

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No it’s not. But calling my legitimate response to the OP “blabbering” indicates your mentality regarding this subject. You’ve already got an opinion firmly set in stone and you will simply dismiss literally everything I say, just as you did with the “blabbering” comment. THAT is what makes this a bad faith argument. Asking me to prove something you’ve already indicated you won’t accept.

Also, you need to learn the difference between “mad” and “I’m not wasting my time on yet another Hordie who thinks the world doesn’t revolve around them and the Alliance are the ultimate evil in the entire franchise.”

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Read blood of the Highborne.

We played them in the RTS games. Not everything needs to be approved by Thrall to be cool and legitemate

of Anasterian who never wanted humans as allies in the first place. That is clear thanks to the novel Sylvanas.

Who were the good guys before Blizzard made the grave mistake to throw away important people in raids for the loot hungry crowd.

and the Horde still honors him despite your revisionism. Just because we killed those remaining on Outland doesn’t mean we are the good guys.

Well Thrall’s Horde sucks balls.

All of them have Orcs. There is no difference apart from the lies the honor crowd tells each other to better sleep at night.

they are still savage barbarians as the alliance still looks down on them as inferior and thinks their leaders smells funny when met first time.

We know the lore. We just decided it is stupid and needs to change.

Yes

Alright here we go

Orcs: Doomhammer
Trolls: Mandokir
Tauren: Magatha
Goblins: Gallywix
Blood elves: Kael’thas
Pandaren: Chen
Undead: Sylvanas and Nathanos
HMT: Huln
Nightborne: Elisande
Ogres: New King Gordok or Mug’thol(assuming all Gronn are dead)
possible centaurs:(Going by Dragonflight as united race) a council of all Khans not just from the Maruuk.
Dracthyr: Emberthal
Amani: Zul’jin’s successor.
Mag’har: Grommash
Vulpera are replaced with Mogu and are led by a new Warlord of the strongest remaining clan.
Zandalari: Dazar

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Gul’dan is already a villain.

During tBC, Kael’thas fed Silvermoon a naaru and blood elf pilgrims traveling to Outland helping the blood prince.

I should fix that.

Varimathras could be tough but he does help more than Gallywix by slaying his kin, Garithos, and Scarlet Brotherhood which aids the Forsaken yet what Sylvanas commands him.

I should fix that one too as the Nightborne don’t even honor her anymore.

Most likely they are the general Dracthyr leader.

The voice actor was accused of harassment, Kael’thas won’t be returning. :grimacing:

The list is lame as it’s using dead characters. Vol’jin has missing children and Nazgrel is weathered enough to handle orcs-- I don’t mind Eitrigg leading but he hates our conflicts but we know orcs will always be involved.

You ranted to ME about things I never said or claimed. Which is why I called it blabbering because I have no idea why you even sent that response to me, when I never made such claims

And then you proceeded to attack ME about not knowing the lore when all I asked you to do was backup a claim that YOU made.

In your eagerness to attack Breakcog, you attacked me for things I never said. Whether or not you apologize about that is entirely up to you

And judging by your responses to me, you clearly have me confused for someone else, since all you been doing is making up nonsensical BS about stuff because, again, YOU made a claim that you knew you couldn’t backup and now you’re being extremely hostile over it.

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And found not guilty.

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Often corporations don’t fix that and when they’re found innocent don’t replace them either— they’re afraid of drama both ways. We would have to wait for another required chance to encounter the fallen prince. :face_exhaling:

I have my fingers crossed and hope for the best. I will not abandon my favorite lore character of all time ever.

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At least you could pull their look. :thinking:

You should look for my main on the european server. He pretty much looks exactly like that.

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/de-de/character/eu/die-aldor/erevien

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I mis-frigging-clicked the wrong reply link. I was obviously replying to the OP, the trolly Belf. Blame the WoW forums for not handling multi-quote replies via links worth a damn. Literally everything I said was directed to HIM, not YOU. In retrospect I would’ve thought that was pretty obvious since I was, you know, responding to things you yourself said you didn’t say. But then you decided to call it blabbering and I knew what kind of attitude I was dealing with. I’ve played this franchise longer than most of the current players have been alive, and I’m sick to death of arguing with Horde players who use the Alliance as the scapegoat for every single thing done to them, even when it’s their own fault. And especially when it’s with people who came into the game within the last 5 years and suddenly they think they’re an expert on every single detail of the franchise.

And the second I saw your reply I knew you were another one.

Horde gets treated crap to make the Alliance look good. That hasn’t changed ever since MoP ended.

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