All of this could have been so easily avoided

Yes, but with lower ilvl and less time than people who complete it months later.

Why are you buying 20 tokens in a month?

Boosts and BMAH stuff are one reason.

Yes. No LFR group has ever wiped. Everyone zones in and literally AFKs.

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Thats just called whaling.

Damn you are quick to trigger. I thought it was implied it took no effort compared to the other modes.

Just trying to say that sub numbers aren’t their money makers anymore.

Also I think the cap is 20 in a week. So it’s like 80 per month, never tried to get that much lol.

Also not sure if it’s tied to the WoW license or bnet account.

The average WoW player isnt absurdly token buying either.

You used the term whale. Most mobile games make their money from a small number of players, hence the term whale which they borrowed from Vegas.

Not sure about WoW.

But I imagine most folks will buy a token or two a month if they need some gold. Not many are buying mass amounts.

Where are you basing your most from anyway? You think with a playerbase that apparently despises Blizzard, that thet would be throwing even more cash at them?

So lets use that logic – lets use the 2/3/9 set up for a raiding guild. If we use that logic, 14 players paying one month sub and buying one token a month is an income of $489.86 per month.

While the person paying an absurd amount of money for tokens in one month is very rare, a causal or hardcore raiding guild provides a similar income level than relying on the rare super spender.

Assuming a 14 men raiding guild can’t be self sufficient with that amount of players…

its beyond rare, there is nothing to whale for in WoW anyway. once you have your CE or glad in 1 season, why would you be buying an egregious amount of tokens? Luuni is just a liar.

I did it at a casual perspective – insert more players for bench players for more involved raiding guilds.

That makes your variable just larger so it fuels my point.

Your comment is great (truthfully and it made me laugh thinking about what if LFR was like the fairy tale some of these people are trying to push about “lfr is afk and win”).
Your comment sums up well what some players really seem to think happens in LFR :joy:

Being disappointed in one choice doesn’t mean that someone will suddenly stop throwing cash.

If someone is disappointed with the LFR choice, that doesn’t mean they’re going to flat out quit. It may be another straw added to the camel’s back and sure some may quit I guess?

But me personally? I won’t quit over this. There are other aspects of the game I enjoy.

I understand your comparison. But I don’t feel it’s fair to compare a raid team to an individual. There are vastly more players who do not raid as opposed to those who do, we have the numbers for that on WoWhead and other data websites.

What?

You’re misunderstanding what there is to spend gold on in this game. Glad is going to cost you thousands in tokens, same with CE. However, there are loads of things to spend gold on in this game.

i actually just got out of ANOTHER wing of LFR, this is the third ive done after this whole slime cat debacle; there has not been a single wipe. On 9 bosses.

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Good for you!

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But your own example is such an outlier. How many people are buying 10+ tokens a month?

I don’t care strongly about the mount one way or another. I don’t consider the reward to be worth my time, so I’m not going to bother with it. Simple.

I also don’t have a problem with Blizzard trying to encourage more participation in traditional raid content. I don’t know if I will ever care to participate again myself, but it’s their game to design and mold as they wish.

I do think the original OP was spot-on in that this is a huge, self-inflicted, easily avoidable mess.

Here’s the thing, though: It’s no more “ridiculous” for someone to expect the mount on the basis of their subscription than it is for someone to expect it because of some ego-driven desire to complete content of any specific difficulty (and it is ego-driven, else the experience, loot, and achievement alone should surely be reward enough).

In real terms, the mount is nothing but materialized development time, and at the end of the day, subscriptions provide the mounts and every other asset in the game–not raiding. The former can exist without the latter, but not the other way around.