AH SW griefing(ended discussion, no more responses.)

You obviously didn’t if you didn’t read that I alone can’t. This guy has 100+k hp and obviously a raider, I’ve not raided in quite some time to even get close to that guy’s hp. He has had people counter PvP him and he still comes back.

The EULA is the top level rule. The references in the Social contract do not change anything.

I am very very serious. PvP is not against the rules and a GM will not get involved.

That article was updated 3 months ago. It is current and accurate.

:dracthyr_a1:The Game Master staff will not intervene in Player versus Player (PvP) disputes. :dracthyr_no2:

IF Blizzard wanted NPCs to be unkillable, such as AH folks, or flight masters, they would make them non targetable. This is intentional and part of the game.

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I’m not the one resorting to hostile insults. I gave you facts straight from a Blue, backed up by a CM/CC and you went off the deep end.

Hilarious how I gave you that information from Mirasol in the first place and you turned to toxicity instead of listening.

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Since there are other auction houses and only a single player (so you have time to use the AH when he’s running between them) it’s not technically zone disruption.

Honestly, the only things you can really get in trouble for in the main cities require a group of some kind. (Keeping all of the auctioneers dead, killing the NPCs in the Keep required for quests, spamming toys/banners to lag the city, or harassing RPers)

If you’re a high enough level you could always start a group in the pvp group finder to try and bring in some pvpers to deal with him. If you don’t get any bites try offering a bounty if you think getting rid of him is worth the gold to bring in some mercs.

Can you imagine if blizzard decided to start investigating every complaint about ganking? lmao
Theyd need a crew working round the clock to deal with it IF players got wind it was some kind of infraction to gank other players in this WAR game, lol.

Blizzard clearly turned those NPCs to being killable. Obviously they wanted them that way REGARDLESS of anyones poor interpretation of the CoC, Eula or social contract.
IF they wanted players to stop killing the AH NPCs they dont have to even say a word to us about it…they’d just make them unkillable like a thousand other NPCs in this game are.

Yes, I agree with you, Blizzard is every bit as feckless as they’ve always been when it comes to the enforcement of their rules. Does not change it’s against their contract as they made us agree to it.

I feel like you’re speaking for Blizzard here. My understanding is you are not a Blizzard employee - please correct me if I’m wrong, however, and I’ll immediately thank you for clarifying on behalf of Blizzard.

lmao…not even a good try, son.
YOUR INTERPRETATION of those rules is clearly wrong…and quite self serving.
YOu want what YOU want them to say…to mean.
Clearly they DONT intend to mean that PvP dont happen just cuz you dont like it. nor do they intend to mean that NPCs blizzard ENABLED to be killed intentionally arent allowed to be killed.
AGAIN…

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FACTS are speaking for blizzard guy…the FACT that those NPCs have been being killed for a long while now and Ive not heard of a single person being actioned for it. I cant even find a flipping article anywhere saying anyone has been.
You are wrong, its that simple. Youre telling blizzard what they MEAN in that agreement and YOU dont get to decide that.

IF they want the killing to stop, theyd simply disable the ability to kill them. end of story.
Clearly they dont and also as clear is they dont care if we kill them.

I know you think someone disagreeing with you is going off the deep end. It’s not, however.

To my knowledge, Mirasol is not a Blizzard employee. And I am sorry if you find me toxic, but I believe you went toxic first when you reduced my argument down to me being angry about “fruit” and “sex jokes”. Where did I mention those?

Zone disruption IS a thing they will action for but it takes a really really long time to fall into that category and it has to completely block use of a critical game service for a long enough time - with no alternatives.

In this case, there are 2 AHs in SW and one in IF. Even a level 1 can take the tram to IF to use the other AH if they wish. That function is inconvenient, but not inaccessible.

The AH killing sprees have gone on from time to time since WoW started.

That is Blizzard’s answer as well. PvP problems have a PvP solution.

No, I am not an employee. All I can do is share the current info - as in the PvP support article, and the current policies.

Not everything “annoying” is against the rules. Players have tools and means in game to deal with those things. They need to use them.

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and I dont think killing four NPCs would even classify as ‘zone disruption’ in the first place if that is what it says.
Four NPCs dont equal a zone. lol.

I slaughtered most every NPC I could find in ironforge, Killed a couple players who decided to flag for pvp as well.
Not a single word from any GM about it at any point i did it.

This guy is complaining to himself. Blizzard obviously doesnt care if we kill the AH NPC’s.

You may be right. It is not clear, however. They did not reference PvP once, merely outlined a code of conduct they expect players to adhere to when interacting with each other.

It’s rather unclear which disruptive behaviors are OK and which are not.

What IS clear after years now guy is that killing AH NPCs DOESNT qualify as a violation of any agreement players have made
IF it were, actions would have been taken.

You didn’t disagree. You called me insane and unhinged. That’s called toxic insults.

Mirasol is an MVP and CC. We both linked you the blue post confirming it’s a reiteration of the terms.

I never once personally attacked you.

No. I said one portion of your argument didn’t equate to the fruit bowl and joke issue. But I never insulted you

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It’s not a bannable offense, nor is it griefing. If they didn’t want it to be possible, then the NPCs wouldn’t be killable. Think about it: there are achievements and mounts that can be earned by killing opposing faction NPCs and attacking capitol cities.

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Fair enough, though I would contend players also have the tools in game to deal with a great many other disruptions that are clearly against the TOS - such as the ignore feature - and yet, the existence of alternative solutions don’t change that the behavior is punishable directly by Blizzard.

That is why the Support article exists. To make it clear that PvP, even when annoying and feeling unfair, is not against the rules and a GM won’t step in. That article exists to help explain that sort of thing to folks who question if getting ganked, corpse camped, or killing NPCs is against the rules.

They start out with addressing the complaint that NPCs are killed then tell you it is not something a GM will assist with. Last update 3 months ago on the article so it is current.

Very very different. The filter and ignore do not excuse breaking the language/chat rules. The game rules say no profanity or masked profanity, slurs, insults, etc. Don’t do that even if there is a filter.

This goes back to the start.

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Now, can we please stop with personal attacks.

Killing AH NPCs is not against the rules. Form a PvP group and kill the invader OR go use a different AH.

If you want to suggest that Blizzard change the game to make AH NPCs unkillable, you are free to do that of course.

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the problem here is, guy, there are 50 AH you can use all over the game, including your garrison. You all are just REFUSING to do so.
I doubt bliz is going to punish a player because you all dont want to be bothered to use another AH, to be quite honest.

I will play devils advocate here. Dudes jacked to the teeth and using old world content to make himself nearly unkillable, including heroic leaping somehow onto the roofs when he does get low. He also sits in prot spec so hes got plenty of mitigation.

I am on the “its not griefing” side, mind you; but dude is actually hard to kill.

Ok, I keep seeing these comments about “If they didn’t want it to be possible” Let me clarify what is going on. There’s a tauren who last I saw has 150k hp, obviously a raiding warrior is running into AH in front of bank, and probably Dwarven district AH, purposely just killing the AH npcs. He’s purposely doing it every time they respawn. I’m not talking about the fact that he can do it, but him doing it is preventing lowbies who need and want to use the AH. New players and most novice players won’t know about other options for an AH. He has had people group up and counter him and have killed him but he just returns right after the group leaves and continues on killing them.