Please list the other affixes besides Incorp/Afflicted that you feel exclude classes as much as warriors/DKs have been excluded these two weeks. I am very curious.
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After you tell me how warriors are being excluded.
For the current affixes, fury warrior is the 3rd post popular unique dps spec for +20 keys being timed.
For the optics thats 100% cus ppl are sheep and tbh idiots lol. This affix is brain dead easy and can be done with both a dk and war in group easily.
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This includes all keys and not pugs. I am talking about pugs; letâs keep the conversation in focus. Class composition isnât even an afterthought for organized groups.
Last week I applied to literal hundreds of groups over a combined 6-7 hours and only got 3 invites. The numbers speak for themselves. I couldnât even get invited to âcompletionâ runs or to keys which Iâd already timed at 20 earlier in the week. The mindset to exclude warriors/DKs spread like wildfire over the weekend and became untenable.
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No one is being excluded. We are just finding the people that are upset they have to do something other than tunnel vision and they are upset.
Got it. So despite the data saying fury wars are the 3rd most popular spec, we are going to ignore it and use our feelings that they are being ignored.
I cant debate feelings. Carry on.
You canât claim to be debating when you ignore the first point I made which literally started with âthe pug sceneâ. Laughable logic, dude.
The numbers from my experience speak for themselves. It isnât rocket science. As this guy saidâŚ
This is a real thing. You believing it isnât doesnât magically fix my experience. Last week was the worst week Iâve experienced attempting to pug keys since DPS warrior was an actual liability in M+ during BFA (but at least then warrior tanks were strong enough to be desired since paladins werenât dominating).
Yes. You feel they are being excluded. nods
at any point did you consider pushing up your own key? maybe it wasnât the specific dungeon you wanted, but only two ways to change that, one of which doesnât depend on someone else inviting you.
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Already covered this. Three straight successive key bricks because I got unlucky with players who have timed the key at the level we were running at deciding to stand in the frontal on the first boss in HOI. This plays in to my earlier point which is at some point itâs no longer my responsibility to fix the game.
Pretending that pugging and organized group play are somehow the same thing is pretty silly. No one here is complaining that their organized groups wonât take them to keys.
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Donât even bother. Scroll up to see my back and forth with Ak. Youâre going to be slid around on wheels for hours.
One of the most damning things about Afflicted is that it is exactly the same as Incorporeal but even fewer specs can deal with Afflicted compared to Incorporeal.
The best M+ affixes are ones in which all players, regardless of class or spec, can participate. I think Entangling is one of the best affixes they have ever made because of this.
Every spec in the game has some manner of nullifying Entangling; even if you donât have your manner of dealing with Entangling up (Freedom on cooldown etc.), you can literally just walk out of the circle and deal with the affix that way.
How must you deal with Afflicted and Incorporeal? You have to dispel/heal or hard CC the mobs. There is no alternative method of dealing with Afflicted or Incorporeal (other than LoS, which can be said for about anything); it is completely binary as to how you deal with them.
Afflicted and Incorporeal also mandate that you must have hybrids or anything but DK/Warrior respectively; unless you want your healer to have to dispel one Afflicted and heal the other, you need to bring another hybrid spec. Sure, if your healer dispels the first one as soon as it spawns theyâll be able to get the second one as well but you better hope that theyâll have no other pressing matters to attend to in the 2-second window in which theyâll need to dispel the second one.
I have no problem with them designing affixes in which certain specs are beneficial to have when compared to others instead of required. Again, Entangling is good in this regard. Ret paladins are able to not only freedom themselves but also another player for every single time Entangling pops up. Does this make Ret paladins required for Entangling? Absolutely not, as every single other spec in the game already has a manner of nullifying Entangling. Does this make Ret better than other specs for Entangling? Sure.
Also, anyone saying that Incorporeal and Afflicted weeks are push weeks are out of their minds.
The other affixes on the level 7 row are Volcanic, Entangling, and Storming. Do you have to change your talent builds, in some cases losing defensives or throughput in order to deal with any of these affixes? No. What do you have to do in order to deal with these affixes? Move a little bit. Can any of these affixes result in a full group wipe? No.
Afflicted and Incorporeal cause you to have to play with gimped talent builds and are the only two potentially lethal affixes in the level 7 row; these are not push weeks in comparison to the other affixes.
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Yeah, I mean, the only thing Iâm pushing this push week are my alts to 70. Anyone trying to deny the invite freeze for certain specs because of Afflicted this week is willfully ignoring the problem or trying to obfuscate it with irrelevant numbers from static play - or both, as the case may be.
Iâll say it again: an astounding design miss.
Ultimately I donât need to convince anybody here. We were one game-breaking issue away from having warriors and DKs given the ability to fully deal with Incorp (the issue being that DKâs method actually mind controlled the add and let them cast for the party) last week, so Blizzard clearly has the negative social experiences imparted by these affixes on their radar.
I donât expect any changes for Afflicted but Incorp might be more bearable next time, at least.
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Hereâs hoping. Itâs funny for them to recognize Incorp being problematic in how restrictive it is while also letting Afflicted ride, but I also canât prescribe a specific change outside of just gutting the affix and reconditioning it include more than just dispels/heals. Who knows?
Thinking about it, Afflicted feels like a more restrictive but less frequent version of Explosive. Both otherwise only required one GCD from [insert someone who can handle it here] for each individual spawned unit. Iâd take a version of Explosive that gives Afflictedâs penalty over the current version, but I recognize a lot of people hated Explosive gameplay as a whole regardless of the penalty.
So I dont want to put words in your mouth. But doesnt âinfinite freezeâ feel a bit heavy handed?
Now remember, when I used âhugeâ as an adjective for immunities, you equalited that with âgame breakingâ.
Infinite freeze carries with it a statement that they just cant participate in this content at allâŚright? So I know that cant be what you are trying to say.
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Hmmm, nice try. That actually reads, âInvite Freezeâ, as opposed to âInfinite Freezeâ Maybe spend a little more time reading the points youâre point-by-pointing?
Lol, no they donât.