How are aff locks doing in mythic dungeons
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Not good. I do exactly 50% as much damage in affliction, from Demo
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AoE is superb. Nothing is as good as Affliction as the pack count rises.
Single target is garbage. You will sometimes do less damage than the healer. At least until itās fixed which it will be.
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May I ask if this is personal experience, previous tier, or PTR?
I ask because I have found that demonology is miles ahead of affliction even for large packs except those that die so fast that soul flame can cause huge damage. But for large pulls of ānormalā mobs affliction seems so far behind. I found when I was trying to do it it came down to two scenarios: several big hp mobs or lots of medium hp mobs. In the former scenario I would multidot and malefic, and in the latter I would spam SoC with StS talented. In both cases I was dying on shards and spent half my time refreshing dots.
For demonology nothing changes. I call dreadstalkers and they passively cleave. Call my felguard to passively cleave. Tyrant to extend both. Implosion whenever I feel like it, doesnāt even seem to matter (i.e. itās always good). Drop guillotine on cooldown. Like Demonology requires no maintenance and itās base aoe is so high (compared to aff / destro) even if you suck (like me, an avid demo-hater) and it has huge potential if you play it right. With affliction you are shard locked at times unless you have darkglare up, with destruction you are screwed unless you have cataclysm up. With demonology you can go in with 0 shards, implode your two imps to proc free demonbolts, and you are good to go. Not to mention tyrant on like a 1m CD with talents.
I was gonna switch to demo but not sure how complicated it is to useā¦or even a good build for mythicā¦mor rotation for that matter
Current tier experience at 70 in dungeons.
Multidot + Malefic is not how I do 3+ target cleave. The problem here is you have enough DoTs up to make MR competent and you get nothing in on the pack. MR only scales with the number of DoTs up. Itās not very good for anything other than single target boss fights.
Vile Taint and Seed spam are superior in this build to MR on cleave and big packs for this reason. You donāt need more than a couple globals to start doing lots of damage.
Fishing out shards is easy. You just switch to drain soul when mobs are close to death. I never have shard problems between drain soul and lifetap.
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I agree with Xalora from my experience. Right now, most mobs die so quick, AFF doesnāt have a chance to āramp upāā¦so itās worthless. I am now Demo and top the DPS meters.
I stole my build from Crede, a random warlock I was running with. Hereās the rotation I use now, and have doubled (not even joking) my DPS versus AFF.
First, note that I keep EVERYTHING on CD, I donāt save crap. I use it.
- Trinkets + Racials
- Summon Dreadstalkers (DS)
- Guillotine while mobs have DS damage debuff
- Call Felguard
- If I need shards, Summon Tyrant
- If I have shards, Hand of GulāDan (HoD) to get a few imps pumpin
- Cast Demonic Strength
- Now Summon Tyrant
- Spam HoD until this rotation all begins over againā¦
- I use Implosion for an āExecuteā
EDIT: I will blast off INSTANT Demonbolt procs as need if I am forced to move, I use those to fill my mobile time.
This usually is about the length of a pack of mobs. Seems to work out nice for me so far.
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You donāt want to just use everything on cd. Some stuff you should be saving together. Ie, use Demonic Strength after Tyrant, not before, you can force Tyrant CD if DS is ready to go with HoGs, get an Imp Timer and implode when they are at their last cast left, donāt use them as an execute, if a pack is about to die, save them for an implode with your dogs on the next pack.
Demo is simple enough to get on and do damage with and get by, it also has the highest ceiling of the three specs.
Throw Guillotine on CD, except while using DS. There is also a weak aura you can use to track timing for DS so you arenāt wasting DS by throwing Guillotine during DS.
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Noted, I will adjust the DS to after Tyrant.
It does annoy the living crap outta me when I am trying to use DS and I canāt due to Felstorm (or w/e is happening that prevents it).
Yeah the weak aura lets you know when your Felguard stops spinning and DS is useable.
Just type felstorm on wago.
Weāre talking split-second decisions here, Iām too old to get any better 
With this game being 18 years old, Iām pretty sure weāre all old at this point. The population left is probably an average of 30 to 40s.
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Anyone got any good links for some useful weak auras for demo that may help me out a bit
Afenar Warlock ui on wago
I canāt post the link
So I believe affliction might be incredible if you can get the tipping point correctly for the spec with high end game item optimization. It seems high mastery is inevitable, but haste is almost impossible to gain. Iāve been on the search for high haste builds. With some of the interesting trinkets and procs on gear, even just a 10 second window for seed spam with a haste burst, would change Affliction output dramatically. I believe the potential is many many times higher than any other spec, but it will be incredibly hard to pull off.
I mean with the proper setup aff has some of the highest AoE in the game currently without relying on gimmicky procs from trinkets etcā¦
Everyone who keeps saying AFF has the best AOEā¦well, they only might live up to that claim under the perfect conditions.
These conditions being a HUGE pack of mobs that live for an extended period of time AND you donāt have to move around. Think about it, if youāre pushing timed M+, this is NEVER going to be the situation. Youāre always moving due to affixes and other stuff, PLUS the packs of mobs rarely stay alive long enough for you to get your DoTs all engaged, then stand still forever blasted with Mal Rupt.
Itās just not realistic right now in timed M+ settings. Maybe raiding or PvP, but not M+ dungeon content.
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When the pre-patch events were up I was pretty much doing this. If the mobs would gather tight, it was great. Spam seeds, drain life and drop a few agonys. Shards were never an issue. Even the grey mobs were helpful because they become weapons in my arsenal.
Afenar is fine for shard tracking, I use Kalamazis and edit it to my specifications.
Search these on wago
Imp timer
Felstorm tracker
Imp timer will allow you more precise implodes due to the way Imp Gang Boss reacts with imploding.
Felstorm tracker will allow you to see when you are free to cast Demonic Strength.