Feel free to enlighten us.
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i am doing more damage with my lower geared DH than with my geared affliction warlock in general, yeah, affliction need a buff badly.
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DPS DH SS Tier right now.
Ok Iām trying to learn demoā¦is there a reason to have shadowbolt in rotation to generate shards or is there something else that generates them alot
Shadowbolt generates a shard. So you use it as filler to get enough shards to cast your dogs and hands of guldan. Your other shard generator is Demonbolt. Which has a very long cast time vs shadowbolt.
You use Demonbolt from procs that make it instant, donāt use your procs if you have 5 shards. Cast a hand than use your proc.
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Thank you so much
Agreed, please enlighten us
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Heās talking about Vile Taint and Seed.
I wasnāt convinced myself until I grouped with a lock doing 120k+ on trash in a random dungeon. The tank just went full hog I guess knowing he had a good affliction lock in the group. Made I think 4 pulls total and each one the lock was doing 100k+. This was week one of course.
Seed wonāt perform as well on fewer targets. Itās what Unholy had in BFA with the exponentially scaling damage as targets went up in number.
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I fully understand how Aff plays, I only play Warlock. Iām talking about how itās the āhighest aoe dpsā, this will probably be true in later seasons and higher keys, where we have enough haste to dump an entire bar of shards in to Seed on a pack.
I can almost guarantee that Affs damage was Soul Flame as the top, not Seed.
And with that damage, I do that or above as Demo, 200+ on packs that can survive a fully empowered Demonic Strength/GFG and lucky Imp boss implodes where I can implode back to back which is rare, Demo also doesnāt suffer as badly on ST in itās aoe build, where that build will for Aff. I want Aff to be above Demo, it isnāt, thatās just the way it is.
The lower group dps, the higher an Aff lock will be atm, the group I run with, Iām lucky if I can get two seeds off before the entire pack is dead.
Iām not a world first player or 30 key pusher, but I sit comfortably around 24-25 keys. So I would consider myself around average or just above.
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It is possible that when other DPS are lacking the affliction lock does more damage. But weāre talking about seed here. Logically the more damage they do the faster the seeds explode and you really donāt need many casts.
I have yet to see a demo lock pull the AoE numbers on big packs like affliction does. Current anyways.
Also your rare 200+ implosion or cooldowns cannot compete with seed as itās off the C/D and basically ready for every trash pull.
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Ok guys, are we really talking about who can pull the biggest SPIKE AOE DPS on ONE PULL, or what spec is going to have the highest AVG DPS in an ACTUAL TIMED dungeon?
Cause one of those is for funny numbers, and the other one is for loots. I donāt care how you put it, Affliction AOE simply wonāt be viable until a point where the trash packs donāt die very fast, and thatās the whole point of a M+ rush.
Sure, if you gather a billion mobs and youāre the only one really doing DPS, then of course Affliction is going to do nice numbersā¦but this is completely different than running a timed M+ dungeon.
Itās not a one and done tactic. Seed is off the c/d you can basically spam it so long as you have good shard management.
Besides dungeons are usually more trash than boss. So who cares if you do subpar boss dps if you do gobs of trash dps? Mathematically it makes sense to take at least one monster trash dps if the numbers work out.
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Bro, I know what Seed is lol, and yes I know you can spam it. You arenāt understanding my point. Thatās ok. I think weāre just trying to convince each otherā¦but I know what works for me, and apparently you know what works for you 
I truly do hope Affliction gets more viable thoughā¦cause it is my favorite spec.
You know, just watch this first push in M+ contentā¦I bet itās overwhelmingly Demo locks 
Itāll be interesting to see what happens. Iāve no idea but in my mind taking those six figure affliction locks who can maintain that dps on every trash pull is going to be hard to pass on.
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We shall seeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Are you going to be running competitive, or casual?
Iām not competitive. But I might tune in to watch some. No time to do anything but forum post and random dungeons.
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Thatās most of it. Itās still too early too tell what tuning will come. Curently from beta keys done, Aff is behind Demo and Destro, should I trust people who have been running 19s and up on beta about how a certain spec plays in itās current tuning?
I test myself, I can pug in to a 0 and be top dps as Aff, I run with my competent group from the last couple seasons of mid 20s and things die far too fast for Aff to do any real meaningful damage.
This isnāt a thing of, Aff is trash and play Demo, I love all three lock specs. I only play Warlock, but I am not going to handicap myself for pushing.
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And this is where things stop about the current state of play. Casual and non competitive is fine, but that doesnāt mean a specific spec is performing far better. People test these things and the data is out there.
You can even sim it yourself to verify for personal use.
Aff is in a tough spot due to low haste and Seed with a two and a half second cast time. Is it trash, not by any means, is Demo far exceeding it, very much so.
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Weāll see. Iām also 70 and have seen the builds compete against each other in level 70 dungeons. If demo were superior to affliction Iād have seen it the other way around. Suffice to say I didnāt.
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Thatās fine. Iāll be glad to run some zeros with you if youāre up for it.
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