Why not both? Though I think those who see them as the former are probably liking them a whole lot more than the latter.
Either way, I think we’ve seen what happens when an annoying chore is considered mandatory for progression whether or not it actually us - people just start resenting it.
You’re not wrong there, that’s been true about mythic+ for raiders for the past 8 years. Just an annoying chore.
I’m confused are we saying that fun aquiet is aloud?
If your fun is allowed to be aloud, then you might ruin someone else’s aquiet fun and should be disallowed.
I don’t really understand this change. It gave people who don’t want to venture much into the delves or have a lot of alts the ability for them to quickly fill their vault with some decent gear options. It took nothing away from the people who enjoy delves and want to do them.
I don’t mind delves at all… I go into them and can have a good time. However, the more 80’s I get the more time that takes if I want to fill those vault slots. This was a nice way for me to be able get them gear options quick. Also, if it was a problem maybe limiting the amount of times you can do the delve a week? daily maybe? Would have been a better change. Now, what is the point to do that delve?
First, damn your achievement count almost was perfect. Had the 3 and 4 been swapped, you would have been the leader of the Space Balls and we all would know the combination to your luggage.
But from a metric standpoint I can see why Blizzard did it. They want to see more people playing and not taking the easy way to achieve gear. This would be yet another thing that Blizzard data is seeing now that the game has gone live that testing wouldn’t have shown.
From a player point, those that knew about this and used it might have also learned about it in beta and not said anything allowing them to gear up faster so they could participate in world first events etc. I myself have 36 characters to gear up, but unlike last season of doing the weekly quest that dropped a champion piece I then converted to tier, this expansion for the moment they get to 80 and parked.
Why would you do this 
Zekvir is more fun to do than doing tier 8 delves because it’s more challenging. Tier 8 delves are a snooze fest and they take longer… I’ve outdated the need to do tier 8 delves and was helping my lower lvl friends kill Zekvir now there’s not much point. Blizzard still hasn’t fixed the coffer key x 5 bug for more bountiful chests opening and refuse to give a refund for this bug. This means less people will do delves because they don’t have a key. This is an awful change I won’t be doing delves or Zekvir this week. Time played does not equal fun.
So, if you’ve personally no need for the delve content because you’ve outgrown it, then you answered your own conundrum by not needing to even do delves or Zekvir except to find an easy path to fill out your vault for easy crests which in turn if you were doing Mythics comes more abundantly than doing delves.
While it is noble to help your friends, the whole point was to help them by doing content and content is time because they need time to develop more content because people using Zekvir to fill the vault was causing people to gear up to fast with higher end gear that was meant more for the solo people that don’t do harder content.
It’s going to come down to metrics one way or another and if time played isn’t fun for you then it’s time to try something more different. So, delves are not fun for you, try another challenge then selecting the easy path.
I’m fine with reward level but i’d like to see vault slots drop to 1/2/4.
absolutely disgusting change, very obvious id come here and find mostly negative reception BY a large margin, but you guys knew that before you made the change. You guys are either the most tone deaf and oblivious company or the slimiest company because you either are completely oblivious to the fact that people enjoyed being able to do this to be able to at least relatively easily fill the bottom row of vault for some decent gear or you knew that but your job is to try and extend grinds and gameplay for players. People wanted the game to be more alt friendly, you caved and gave us warbands, great change. Literally being able to fill at least one tab on vault with zekvir WAS ALT friendly. I quit each expansion earlier and earlier than the last and its pretty clear this trend will likely continue until i just quit all together lmao. Nice job blizz.
I don’t need to do delves for easy vault loot I’ve outgrown it. I was doing zekvir because it was a fun fight before the nerfs and to help my friends get vault loot. There was a balance before when Zekvir was hard. If you could do the harder content then you were rewarded with time saved. Otherwise you had to slow grind out in delves. Now the only option is to slow grind out in delves. I’m not selecting the easy path per se I want there to be a hard challenge and if you can beat that hard challenge then you should be rewarded for it. What I mean by time played = fun is how I feel blizzard measures what is good or bad content. If something takes players a long time blizzard sees this as players must be having fun doing it because they spend a lot of time when this may not be true. They still haven’t addressed the bug for world souls yet either which is disappointing.
no, change is bad but WOULD be okay or not so bad if they compromised in some aspect like making it 1,2 4. Or at least if you already maxed a row or whatever on one character other characters should be able to max it with half effort or something. So 1 guy has to do 1, 4, 8 but the others can do 1, 2 ,4
Abusing an easy system for easy gains detected.
Im surprised these are the ONLY nerfs to delves.
Apologies for the late reply, but obviously I have lol
I was referring to instanced content with a little more challenge than world bosses and the option to do it solo :V
Crap decision
To be fair the bosses have like no mechanics in the delves.
Most of them revolve around… don’t get hit by a cone of fire/poison and don’t get AoE feared.
im guessing it was never blizzards intention to have players fill up the entire vault row in 30 minutes.
Funny, you just described boss mechanics.
Those are like LFR level if I’m being generous. Mechanics would be like Zekvir ??. Must interrupt. Must kill adds. Not just don’t stand in obvious red cone and you win.