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Gear Score, nub.
GS did not get added to the game until wotlk. I have heard theories that it has always existed but at an internal level but that doesnt mean that external code will exist. so that doesnt mean an addon will be able to display something that has no means of being displayed.
all in all, any kind of addon like this- will be biasly made and should not be trusted AT ALL.
if you are in vanilla and can not do it the old fashioned way, its clear that its not vanilla you are wanting. if you want that kind of thing, to encourage toxicity within the raiding community- retail is waiting for you.
GearScore came from somewhere, and it was based on their own database rather than pulling the game's internal numbers. Every piece of gear in Classic will be in that database, so it is just adjusting the programming to work with the engine.
And I guarantee that some guilds will require it as soon as it exists.
This was addressed during the classic panel.
https://youtu.be/hhKkP8LryYM?t=2493
To me what this says is that group finder addons, and gearscore addons will be banned the same as addons that can automate your play, like old school decursive, or 1 button macros that could be spammed for a perfect threat rotation while tanking.
11/07/2018 04:31 PMPosted by
Gorno
This was addressed during the classic panel.
https://youtu.be/hhKkP8LryYM?t=2493
To me what this says is that group finder addons, and gearscore addons will be banned the same as addons that can automate your play, like old school decursive, or 1 button macros that could be spammed for a perfect threat rotation while tanking.
Hard to ban something that is 99% client-side and groups have noted for wanting so much they included it in to future versions.
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GS did not get added to the game until wotlk. I have heard theories that it has always existed but at an internal level but that doesnt mean that external code will exist. so that doesnt mean an addon will be able to display something that has no means of being displayed.
all in all, any kind of addon like this- will be biasly made and should not be trusted AT ALL.
if you are in vanilla and can not do it the old fashioned way, its clear that its not vanilla you are wanting. if you want that kind of thing, to encourage toxicity within the raiding community- retail is waiting for you.
GearScore came from somewhere, and it was based on their own database rather than pulling the game's internal numbers. Every piece of gear in Classic will be in that database, so it is just adjusting the programming to work with the engine.
And I guarantee that some guilds will require it as soon as it exists.
GS came in during wotlk. at least external numbers did. but my comment was referring to the ability to display externally, when such a thing never existed until then. there may be no way to display internal numbers in the data base. at least not until it came with said expansion pack. and if people do find a way to display these numbers, it will be very faulty and most likely biased (non factual).
this is where we start to step into creating a new game that is not a historical recreation of vanilla. which goes against what ion and the team are working toward. the numbers might have been there internally but they were never made/written to be displayed externally. not until wotlk. and anyone who attempts to do this, should be banned. in my opinion. it is messing with something that they have no place to mess with.
Me personally, I feel it takes away from the difficulty of the game. Ive rarely used them in my wow life (started in vanilla).
I'd prefer no addons. Allows everyone to be on equal playing field.
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Agreed, addons make the game easier and gives you a huge handicaps.
Never done an addon, I personally believe addons should never been in the game unless it was create by the creators.
They shouldn't have them in the game is what I believe, but it won't stop people from doing it because a lot of people like being handed cake.
No matter what they say when they say it doesn't affect you it does affect me it affects everyone no matter what you say because it wasn't a feature intended in the game in the first place.
Me personally, I feel it takes away from the difficulty of the game. Ive rarely used them in my wow life (started in vanilla).
I'd prefer no addons. Allows everyone to be on equal playing field.
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Agreed, addons make the game easier and gives you a huge handicaps.
Never done an addon, I personally believe addons should never been in the game unless it was create by the creators.
They shouldn't have them in the game is what I believe, but it won't stop people from doing it because a lot of people like being handed cake.
No matter what they say when they say it doesn't affect you it does affect me it affects everyone no matter what you say because it wasn't a feature intended in the game in the first place.
so me only using the old quest helper addon, that current wow has implemented right now- will effect you somehow?
k. not sure how that is possible but whatever you say.
I'm looking forward to them killing the add-ons that let you play with one finger.
I was forced to play that way while raiding and it made the game stupid and boring. That's a great change.
Itâs called being a mage until AQ. Frostbolt, frostbolt, frostbolt, ...; or decurse, decurse, decurse, maybe cast a frostbolt, decurse, decurse, ...
Any addons available in Live should be available in Classic.
I wouldn't go that far. Only addons that were around during vanilla, or addons that aren't outside the spirit of vanilla.
I definitely want a SwingTimer addon and OmniCC.
The only addon I'll probably use will be a Classic version of Total Role Play and Elephant.
It'll be hilarious if there's addons that bring in features people were screaming "NO CHANGES!" about.
I have a feeling someones going to make an "ilvl" addon.
there is already some lame community group planning to do this, and they are getting flamed for it but are still pushing to make it... "you think you do, but you don't" type of mentality thats gonna create another elitest mentality that classic DOES NOT NEED, like if you have a hard time not clearing content, that means the experience is authentic and these scrubs don't understand that
Simple addons like health bar values or enemy cast bars (enemy cast bars were not visible in vanilla) are going to give people a huge advantage over people who don't have them.
Same goes with target of target. It didn't exist in vanilla outside of addons and it makes a huge difference being able to tell who your target is targeting.
11/07/2018 08:04 PMPosted by
Apropos
Simple addons like health bar values or enemy cast bars (enemy cast bars were not visible in vanilla) are going to give people a huge advantage over people who don't have them.
Same goes with target of target. It didn't exist in vanilla outside of addons and it makes a huge difference being able to tell who your target is targeting.
Addons that existed in vanilla are fine. I would even take Omen over KTM Threat Meter. Addons that didn't exist in vanilla, need to be examined thoroughly and determined if they should be allowed.
Gear Score was not a vanilla addon and will add an elitist mindset to the raiding community on WoW that unneeded and unwanted and should not be allowed even if it turns out to be possible.
On the other hand, RP addons weren't really a thing in Vanilla either, but I would have no problem with their inclusion as they literally add nothing as far as gameplay is concerned.
The biggest reason I want ez mode add-ons disabled is because they've already been created.
I was already lvl 60 before the most popular add-ons were invented, so having an add-on that lets me play with 1-button and follow a path for quests starting at lvl 1 will not be the same experience that we had originally.
If you force people to play vanilla like we did in 2004, I promise it will be a better more authentic experience.
If those powerful add-ons become available right away, everyone will be forced to use them, like we were in 2005/6.
We should also restrict people to using a !@#$ty version of thottbot because that was all that existed at the time as well.
Just the fact that the internet itself has moved on has changed the availabilty of information massivly.
You cannot reproduce the lack of information that existed when we played vanilla.
Just wanted to gauge interest in Addons? how do people feel about addons?
Me personally, I feel it takes away from the difficulty of the game. Ive rarely used them in my wow life (started in vanilla).
I'd prefer no addons. Allows everyone to be on equal playing field.
Which do you feel should/shouldnt be allowed etc
Integral to classic. They were there in vanilla back in the day and they should be now. Here's a list of all the 1.12.1 addons I ran on Nost.
!ImprovedErrorFrame
Ace
Ace2
AceNameToggle
AH_MailCollect
AlfCast
Atlas
AtlasLoot
AtlasQuest
Auctioneer
AutoProfit
Bagnon
Banknon
BeanCounter
BetterWaypoints
BigWigs
B ongos
BonusScanner
CensusPlus
CompareStats
Enchantrix
EnhTooltip
EQL3
FlightMap
FuBar
FuBar_AmmoFu
FuBar_AnkhTimerFu
FuBar_Aspect
FuBar_AssistFu
Fubar_AtlasFu2
FuBar_AuctionsFu
FuBar_AuditorFu
FuBar_BagFu
FuBar_BattlegroundFu
FuBar_BGQueueNumber
FuBar_CloakHelmToggle
FuBar_ClockFu
FuBar_ConjureFu
FuBar_CorkFu
FuBar_CRDelayFu
FuBar_CustomMenuFu
FuBar_DakSmak
FuBar_DamageMetersFu
FuBar_DPS
FuBar_DurabilityFu
FuBar_DuraTek
Fubar_EmoteFu
FuBar_Experienced
FuBar_ExperienceFu
FuBar_FactionItemsFu
FuBar_FriendsFu
FuBar_FromAViewToAKillFu
FuBar_FuXPFu
FuBar_GarbageFu
FuBar_GCInFu
FuBar_GroupFu
FuBar_GuildFu
FuBar_HeyFu
FuBar_HeyFuArchive
FuBar_HonorFu
FuBar_ItemBonusesFu
Fubar_KCIFu
FuBar_LocationFu
FuBar_LockFu
FuBar_MageFu
FuBar_MailFu
FuBar_MCPFu
FuBar_MicroMenuFu
FuBar_MiniClockFu
FuBar_MiniPerfsFu
FuBar_ModMenuTuFu
FuBar_MoneyFu
FuBar_NavigatorFu
FuBar_NetStatsFu
FuBar_NinjutFu
FuBar_PerformanceFu
FuBar_PetInFu
FuBar_PoisonFu
FuBar_ProfessionsFu
FuBar_QuestsFu
FuBar_ReagentFu
FuBar_RegenFu
FuBar_ReloadUI
FuBar_RestFu
FuBar_SkillsPlusFu
FuBar_SpeedFu
FuBar_SpellStatusFu
FuBar_TankPointsFu
FuBar_TCDFu
FuBar_ToFu
FuBar_TopScoreFu
FuBar_TrackerFu
FuBar_TradeTrackerFu
FuBar_TransporterFu
FuBar_uFriends
FuBar_VolumeFu
FuBar_WeaponRebuffFu
FuBar_WindFuryFu
FuBar-compat-1.2
FuBarPlugin-2.0
FuTextures
Gatherer
GFW_AdSpace
GFW_DisenchantPredictor
GFW_EnchantSeller
GFW_Gemologist
GFW_HuntersHelper
GFW_ReagentCost
GFW_ShoppingList
GMail
Informant
InventoryOnPar
ItemRack
ItemRackFu
KLHPerformanceMonitor
KLHThreatMeter
LazyRogue
LevelRange
MailSound
MBB
MetaHud
MetaMap
Prat
Prat_FuBar2
Scrolling Combat Text
Sea
SheepWatch
SnaFu
SpellAlertSCT
Stubby
TalentSafe
TheoryCraft
tinyClock
WeaponRebuff
WhisperCast
Zorlen
11/07/2018 08:04 PMPosted by
Apropos
Simple addons like health bar values or enemy cast bars (enemy cast bars were not visible in vanilla) are going to give people a huge advantage over people who don't have them.
They'll probably include a cast bar by default because of the new architecture that already has it so anyone can use it.
I like addons that change the UI to something intelligible. The original raid UI was terrible.
11/07/2018 08:55 AMPosted by
Konway
I agree with what Ion said during the panel: They have to be very careful about addons because they can enable a lot of the functionality that Classic WoW seeks to avoid.
For example: oQueue functioned as an automatic group finder for a while. Questie can make questing a completely braindead activity (follow the green arrow to win!). GearScore will reduce players to numbers.
A single addon alone can't destroy the community, but the cumulative effect of all these addons easily could.
Imo anyone using these wants retail and just won't admit it.
I've never used so much as coords or a dps meter, not about to start now.
another elitest mentality that classic DOES NOT NEED
Hate to break it to you, but unfortunately Classic (Vanilla) is ENTIRELY about elitist mentality.
Ban all addons...
Only kidding. Every new expansion someone discovers non-add-on wow and wants that world. But nah, its not going to happen. I saw a thread yesterday on the return of thotbot, its probably still in the first few pages of this forum, and all i could think was: "The information is out there already, we know where all the quests are, what percentage chance each mob has to drop x item. Quest trackers are going to be one of the biggest addons out there."
Theres no getting past it. Threat meters are going to exist, damage meters are going to exist. Quest trackers are going to exist, probably even a variant of 0-queue is going to make a come back. DBM will certainly have a classic update.
And variants of all this existed back in the day. Maybe not so detailed. But it still existed. Sure, you could shut it all down, but then you'd have a riot. People want to parse.