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Oh wait this isnt a scholarly debate.
Which is why you have no points to add.
I have an opinion to share on a topic about opinions.
You keep saying you arent saying you are against it and then you make arguments against it.
More people queuing as tanks and healers means faster queue times. That’s an absolute fact.
Yeah, I already said I’m all for options but you won’t see an improvement on queue times. The game isn’t designed with a ton of tanks in mind, I’m sorry. It currently doesn’t support it.
BM Hunter could be fun but no one likes fun. It would remind me of my favorite SWG build CH/Rifleman
Uh, no, that doesn’t say I’m against it. Are you having trouble reading?
Ya I kind of don’t get it, I’m sure the OP has run content with palies, warrior, monk’s, driuds, and death nights that aren’t tanking.
The problem isn’t a lack of people with the potential to tank. It’s just the most annoying and least rewarding role to fill.
The Bonus bag system does encourage me to run content as a tank. But I think that just randomly picks tanks or healers to give a bag to and isn’t actually connected to any data showing where the shortage is.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea. I would get insta queues on my mage and warlock?
I seriously doubt enough players that do not currently tank due to their attachment to specific classes would try tanking out to make a ding in the dps queue times though.
if they made a mage tank, as an example (man, the more I think about it…I can teleport around which is dope for questing, and I can tank too? and slowfall? AND INVISIBILITY!?) what would likely happen is it would dilute the existing pool of players that stick to tank specs, and add a number of new comers - that number would be rife with FOTM at first and then have a huge drop off, resulting in the same perceived shortage of tanks.
We have evidence of this already, with each new hotness.
But man, mage tank…huh. Or a lock tank, I can make my OWN pots!? SO SICK!
You could have 100 tank specs it won’t change much. It’s not the specs its the “tanking” and responsibility expected from such.
You need to know the fight and be in a position to lead the group as most will simply expect this.
Not everyone is up to being in the spotlight and taking charge.
But why are you queueing for it? For example, i almost exclusively tank, but i haven’t done a queueable dungeon since about the second week of BFA, because normal and heroic dungeons give no reward that i can’t get faster and more reliably somewhere else, even for alts.
Bueller.
Tanks are not about the class design of a spec.
It’s that enough DPS want to force the pace of the effort to take down the mobs in whatever encounter is being attempted, be it dungeon, heroic, raid, mythic, etc., that tanks don’t want to tank for PUG’s.
Ask a Tank to pug.
Note the cringe.
It’s not the access or lack of access to tank types, it is entirely the players that are so convinced it’s a one person team rather than at least five that is the issue.
At this point? Leveling. Or getting those dungeon mats.
But the point is that we will have a new xpac next year. Normal and Heroic dungeons will be relevant again.
Yea, for 2 more weeks. And half the classes in game can tank them if they so choose. Funny thing is, most don’t.
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Idk 50% of the classes in the game have no path to be able to tank. It’s pretty naive to think that literally doubling the options available to tank won’t see enough tanks in circulation to alter timers.
Half of the classes in the game can tank, adding more won’t fix the problem because probably 70% of those that current could tank don’t. The tank shortage is due to pressure upon the role it self and the fact you need so few of them. After all you only need 1 for 5 man groups and 2 for raids. Once you have those, the rest aren’t worth a damn and you fill up on DPS.
I love it how the two people making the most arguments in favor of adding more tanking specs, because they would “absolutely tank!” in that case; both have almost zero relevant achievements for either dungeons or raids.
So, no, you would not. You don’t even play right now. You’re just saying words. We can look at your accounts activity.
DPS players may once in a blue moon dabble in tanking, but they almost always quit those roles after a few weeks, at most. People who want to tank, already do tank. Every single DPS friend of mine who dabbles in tanking gives up on it.
It’s no different than my healer friends or other tank friends whom do not DPS despite having DPS specs. If they wanted to DPS, they’d be doing it already. The data Blizzard has on the subject I am confident trumps the opinion of some guy who doesn’t even run dungeons regularly to begin with. And no, your experience in the pug finder automation system doesn’t count.
Your mage tank spec actually sounds plausible. Not sure about the actual mechanics that you describe but it sounds like a very unique spec and play style.
I think that even if Blizzard added more tank specs, we would still see a lack of tanks in queues. It boils down to responsibility, many players do not want to “Tank”, they feel it is too much responsibility. They would rather DPS because they are not responsible for keeping the group alive, managing AGGRO, knowing all the tanking mechanics, etc.
It takes a certain type of player to be a tank and let’s face it, 80% of the playerbase is not that type of player.
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Here’s a crazy idea I’ve never actually seen on the forums; let’s give a class with an existing tank spec, another tanking spec.
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