Additional Class Tuning Incoming - December 21

ah yes, 55% more damage next phase, so instead of doing like half my hp i’ll do 95% of my hp per cast of SWD with the current numbers

and no, 55% damage will not fix shadow, don’t kid yourself. we still have awful mana sustain issues and don’t scale well with spellpower or crit, two of the stats most casters actually scale with quite well

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I play with better players than you then that are maining hunter right now that say if they don’t get nerfed Blizzard isn’t paying attention… maybe git gud

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imagine tuning classes based on level 25…now imagine how busted everything is going to be every phase after :roll_eyes: :crazy_face: :crazy_face: :crazy_face:

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imagine 25 end game actually being the current phase, so things should be tuned for each phase… it’s literally about inputting numbers as a percentage then clicking upload and compile on the test server then patching it in.

then imagine ignoring balance and just claiming at each new phase/level cap and just saying “its balanced for the last phase next year” :crazy_face:

There’s a very, very small minority of people that come to the forums and the majority of them come here to whine and complain.

Players that are happy with the game, don’t come to the forums to post about how much fun they’re having.

The people posting on the forums make up probably 0.1% - 1% of the player base.

No. This is the flaw in your logic. The complainers are pretty much the only ones that post on the forums, but there’s absolutely no way to quantify how much of the player base they really are.

If there were tens-of-thousands of players posting in the forums, then you might have an argument.

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cool now give rogues a aoe threat

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Rage cost reduction is nice but I think you need to fix Wild Strikes not proccing from various instant attacks first - SoD - Wild Strikes doesn’t proc from Feral instant attacks - WoW Classic / WoW Classic Bug Report - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)

Then you might find that the current druid rage costs are actually more appropriate (as we would be generating more rage from WS procs in bear)

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This is a horribly intellectually dishonest argument. This is making an assumption that your bias that you exhibit here - that bias being both agreed with and heavily contested here - is agreed upon by the majority of the player base that doesn’t ever touch the forum. This was also after you said most people playing that pay to play the game are coming to this forum to complain about it; are most people coming to the forum to complain? Or are most people not coming to the forum to complain, are instead just playing the game, with your only reasoning for saying so being anecdotes to say “they agree with me; trust me bro”?

…What?

First, if you’re gonna suggest 90% of people on here are agreeing about anything, you might want to pick something where there’s not a ton of back-and-forth about it to suggest that. You may also want to emphasize it’s only what you’re seeing. For instance, I’m seeing people mostly agree that iron veins depleting and sometimes turning into gold veins and having to wait for them to reset to turn back to iron because they can’t get mining high enough to mine it is pretty lame. I’m not seeing a lot of contention. For what you’re saying about premades, in just the threads I’ve seen you post, I’ve seen a ton of contention, to the point I couldn’t even begin to say there’s a majority opinion one way or another.

And even from there: It means very little about what is representative of the player base of a whole. When I was pushing for CE in retail, there were a lot of things every patch that really irritated people, where these forums blew up, places outside these forums blew up, etc. These were things that directly affected all players - buffs & nerfs to classes & specs, changes to items, changes to legnedaries, changes to borrowed power systems, etc. - but if you looked at the average joe playing the game, most of them likely didn’t even see a noticeable difference. I wouldn’t be able to use the forums at those times to be representative of the entire player base, and this situation is no different. It’s not just about the level of play; it’s that by wasting time on the message board, you’re immediately more of a hardcore player than the vast majority of people who just log in, play, and log out.

Points being: The forum here is by no means in anywhere near full agreement with your views, anecdotes about people you personally know are limited to those people specifically and not the wider player base, and the forum isn’t representative of the player base as a whole.

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Lol how would you know if they’re better or worse? You don’t. Just a stupid comment because you don’t like mine.

You have two mates that play hunter. Two. So whatever they say goes? Hey everyone Majats two mates play hunter and their opinion is gospel and Blizzard need to do whatever they say.

Have you checked DPS rankings or logs for BFD lately? Probably not…

Maybe you’re the one who should ‘git gud’ instead of threating some forum randoms you’re going to rage quit if a game developer doesn’t do what you want.

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you’re level 25, and only pallies have decent aoe threat in this phase.

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For ppl say stop tuning stuff, what are they supposed to do sit on their hands when their game is unbalanced?

The least they could do would be to make regular changes to balance the current game, which ideally will help them balance the game at 40, 50, and 60 (I’m assuming they are also testing these changes within those bracket internally)

I think this helps make shadow more viable, tho I am a bit concerned at just how much hp you will have to spend to cast this, but will need to test in practice to see how I feel about it

Unfortunately shadow has no real option for pvp in the homunculi spot, because Pom is so good. I think I will likely run Pom over homuncli even at 40 and 60 for pvp

wrong, most polls are ran this exact way to determine popularity of Presidential Candidates, or what Classes most will play on launch of a new version of WoW.

You can literally quantify it…

use your brain before you type.

Buff smite priest

Why do I need to check logs, I’m 7/7 clearing with two hunters at the top of the DPS list.
the logs you stare at are for averages usually and take into account multiple parses and also do not reflect PvP performance. Which btw the Hunters are top in my raids.

nah its still you, you’re staring at charts instead of topping meters when your pet literally out damages most casters by itself.

Lol your level of ignorance is amazing. If two hunters are topping the metres in your BFDs then the warriors and rogues are bad.

Funny how you tell other people replying to your comments to think before they post or try to insult their IQ when you’re not even prepared to examine real data.

Have you really read other people’s comments? I’m not the only one that thinks you’re full of crap.

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wrong, you’re bad. git gud dude…
our hunters are pulling 120+ dps

I was about to say his lack of wanting to look into statistical data says enough he is applying an experience bias to something that is quantifiable. I agree hunters need to be tuned in pvp see wind serpent but 4 hunters in the top 100 parses and the first shows up at 28 in pve hunters are not the top of the meter

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the top 100 parses applies to the top 100 players with the best gear available, which the vast majority of people don’t fall into this category or even close.

the ease with which a hunter tops charts comes from their pet doing 50% nearly of their pet damage.
Their pet alone deals 40-50dps, this is regardless of the gear the Hunter has.
If Magua is pulling less than 80 DPS on each fight he’s just flat out bad.
Hunters need far less gear to top meters before gear is applied because their pets are literally pumping better than most caster specs right now.

It needs a nerf period.

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so just two classes irrelevant abilities are being buffed, but no priest penance nerf??? cmon now

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Be sure to follow through.
Ultimatums don’t mean much if you don’t.

There is no “fix” for premades because there isn’t one needed to be made by Blizzard.
That is a you problem that you “fix” by doing that thing where you form or join your own group and work together for the win.

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