How exactly would I delete “people”? If you mean they don’t get an invite, that’s way out there for comparison. ANYONE can get a key and list it. ANYONE can make friends/join a guild/ join a community. ANYONE can play the victim.
That’s funny. It was you. You can lie but if anyone cares to view history, you’re screwed and you know it. Carry on.
Manufactured is an indictment that comments are not genuine. I don’t know what apologisms are. I do know what an apology is. My opinion is neither manufactured nor an apology. I am not apologizing or promoting anything in fact.
I am just recognizing there are different player groups trying to do the content, none of which are happy or getting what they want out of it.
With the addition of the upgrade system, the typical “Git Gud Scrub” reaction to incompetent players on keys has developed into outright flaming to the deliberate aim of discouraging them from ever queuing again. This is a problem.
It reeks of “this is my content, get out!” Our response to them should be contained to the run at hand. If we have constructive advice for their next run, that’s fine. We shouldn’t traumatize them for simply failing game content, regardless of how overtly ill-prepared they were.
I understand that a lot of keys are being depleted or going incomplete. Veteran players want their time not to be wasted. I don’t blame them for their frustration. I do 12-15 keys and it’s hard for me to get in a group myself. I’ve been on the receiving end of the depleted key for bad players. That’s still no excuse for treating them badly. The level of beligerrence to players is off the scale now, at least on my server.
I just hold the pragmatic position that there has to be a way to help new players to adjust to barriers to entry on keys, while satisfying veteran players. Driving new players away will just dwindle the tomrrow’s veteran player base down so there will be less and less doing keys. That’s not good for anyone.
there ya go
Can follow that up and see…you are only here to stir the pot “Fun” bear. I’m sure it’s a sad life.
“Balance”, the term you like to use, Blizzard is going to focus on achievements. Every spec is capable of doing the +15 achievement.
Based on raider.io, every spec is capable of doing +20s at the higher end.
By definition, the game is balanced. You will never end up at a point where every class/spec can get as far as every other class/spec, unless you want a single spec in the game.
With that said, pugging specific specs is another problem. I don’t really know if you can have an in-game fix for that, or if it’s a community issue to resolve. No matter how little variance there is, people will always invite the “top tier” specs, even if they are all capable. In the end, there is more dependence on the “player behind the keyboard”, but you can’t measure that.
Totally agree.
Without the 8.3 awakened affix (portals), rogues were no longer the meta for BFA. That allowed other specs to get more invites. That was a good change.
9.0 doesn’t have awakened, but it does have most dungeons on rails so there’s very little that can be skipped. Balance usually means homogeny and dillution, and ultimately uninteresting. I’ll take a little imbalance so long as we don’t have imperative hard metas.
I am coming to that conclusion as well. Anytime anyone replies with any sort of challenge they disappear and reappear in a different thread.
It’s actually nearly impossible to get invited to a pug anyway. A meta spec would help because people think that is necessary (it isn’t) but as a DPS your chances are still 1%.
Play a useful role like a tank or healer and this problem goes away.
This this this this. You aren’t being declined because you aren’t meta. You are being declined because there are 47 other dps in this queue and I can only take 3.
There has always been a system in the game to keep players out of some content. RaiderIO is just another system. This mage is ilvl 197 and cannot get into Mythics unless it is within my guild and that does not happen very often.
I still have not raided Ordos.
Has nothing to do with the tools, it’s the playerbase.
Classic is living breathing proof that you can remove all the tools from the game and return it back to it’s old RPG state, but you can’t take the current day meta-gaming mentality out of players.
This in game scoring system helps casual players because now they don’t have to use 3rd party addons and sites. It’s about time this change was made.
Players need to stop trying to look to Blizzard to fix a community driven problem.
Have you started a zero, got a key and ran it?
^ This.
Also, I invited a 199 mage to a 10 last night because I wanted mage cakes.
It will help casuals only in that they won’t be put into group situations where they encounter toxicity over missed expectations. The entire player base will exclude them now, not just dungeon elitists with addons. This won’t get them more invites which is their first problem.
It’s also not the tool that is getting them not invited to begin with. Make a group as a tank or healer and you will see why people aren’t being invited.
They were excluded to begin with dude. Anyone who remotely cares about M+ is using RIO, it’s not some edge-case addon that only +20 pushers use. Those players that you are referring to aren’t being invited to groups now, because they lack the experience that the PUG leader deems acceptable.
This system will simply allow players to use the game to judge one’s experience, just like people do when forming RBG groups. This change is good for players who are looking to gain experience and play with those of similar experience in M+.
If they want more invites maybe they should play with people of similar experience instead of trying to sneak into a +15 even though their highest run is an untimed +10. I’m a very new player into this scene and I’ve had 0 issue finding groups on the characters I actively M+ on.
I actually kinda sort agree with him. I also have some slight concerns with people having a tool in their hand they have no idea how to use. I am not concerned about the “elitists” (I hate that word because it is dumb), but I am a little bit wary of Bob that thinks a number and only a number means something. We will see how it plays out though.
If you read my previous posts on this thread you’d see that I was being sarcastic about elitists. I use rio as well.
It will help serious M+ players and hurt casuals. Their groups invites will be half of their already miserable prospects.
You just outlined the kech-22. How are they going to get experience if they can’t get into a group or get anyone to come to their key? Most of those with “similar experience” have already given up. I suppose that was the goal of veteran players, to get the filthy casual to stop queuing altogether.
This is what I find bogus. I fail to believe anyone is posting a key that no one wants to join.
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