Add ilvl Requirement to BGs

[Inemia-rexxar (Inemia)]

LOL. Nice try at trolling.

thats not trolling.

consequently, the community really needs to learn what trolling actually is, because lately it’s anything someone says that they don’t like.

Gear does matter otherwise why gear up for raids,etc?

bgs are raids?

But there are people that have fun rolling over under gear players.

and that is entirely the reason gear matters again. personally i think templates worked better, undergeared players were scaled up, but the cries of the " i want gear to matter so i can pwn noobs" crowd won this xpac. again, deal with it.

All I’m suggesting is make it better and more fun so you can have those battles that can go either way instead of looking at your teams health and the opposing side and knowing what the out come will be.

i get the point of your suggestion, but it would cause more problems than it solves, if you notice they removed the healer balancing mechanic from the queue system again, they had to, players where unsubbing over 20 minute queue times. this means that the majority of players care more about lower queue times than they do about having a balanced game.

[Korka-nordrassil]

Yep, the RNG does suck, that has been said posts ago and in other forums. Blizzard is pushing players into raiding for gear and I hear from people that do not want to do that. So they do WQs, warfront and random BGs for their gear. Some people just do not get that, they believe everyone has some much time for this game. Not every one is a hardcore raider or get into every aspect of the game.

[Inemia-rexxar (Inemia)]

but its still supposed to be a gearing source for new players, always has been

it worked well for this in legion, i managed to get my toon up to 930 which was enough to get into antorus and get even better ilvl. but this isn’t legion anymore and crying about how things should be doesn’t change how they are now. if you want gear, you PVE, otherwise you just put up with getting rolled until you have enough gear to stand on your own.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Once you gear up, skill and knowing your toon will decide who comes out the winner if you happen to get a 1-on-1 in a BG.

Oh cute, another who thinks 1v1 matters in random BGs.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

if you notice they removed the healer balancing mechanic from the queue system again

Did they? I didn’t notice as all my BGs are still even.

[Gedpriest-queldorei]

Once you gear up, skill and knowing your toon will decide who comes out the winner if you happen to get a 1-on-1 in a BG.

Oh cute, another who thinks 1v1 matters in random BGs.

1v1’s are some of the most fun battles in bg’s, I remember those far more than the generic group combat. Tons of players join bg’s looking for exactly those 1v1 situations, because they provide lots of dopamine, a rush or thrill of victory.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Tons of players join bg’s looking for exactly those 1v1 situations, because they provide lots of dopamine, a rush or thrill of victory.

Probably why a ton of players cry about imbalances. BGs are a team event, do duels if you want 1v1…

[Korka-nordrassil]

i get the point of your suggestion, but it would cause more problems than it solves,

All we can do is put forth suggestions, debate them and see if Blizzard will use some of them. Until then all we can do grin and bear it or unsub until the next expansion. And with that, I’m off to bed. Good night.

[Inemia-rexxar (Inemia)]

Did they? I didn’t notice as all my BGs are still even.

i certainly noticed it in ebgs, we went from long queues and balanced healers back to the standard queue times and massively imbalanced heals. not that it mattered. because you can outplay both gear and healer diparities.

Horde won these:
https://imgur.com/a/MLEuQZe

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

i certainly noticed it in ebgs,

I don’t think ebgs ever had that tbh… 40 players from both sides would be way too long of queue times. It’s definitely still there in 10/15 mans.

[Korka-nordrassil]

Oh cute, another who thinks 1v1 matters in random BGs.

No where was that suggested. Just saying sometimes you happen to get into a 1 v 1 and it is fun to see who will win despite what happens in the BG.

[Inemia-rexxar (Inemia)]

thats pretty much what was going on, we had balanced healers for all of a couple days and the queue times skyrocketed.

splitting players by ilvl would have the same effect.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

No where was that suggested.

It’s all we hear about when it comes to a gear discussion…

[Inemia-rexxar (Inemia)]

1v1 matters if you are the sole person spinning a node until help arrives, however, if you are undergeared, don’t be that guy, stick with the main group.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Yep. I do agree there and it’s on the team to be aware of who is sitting. Same goes with healers, don’t stick your healers on nodes. That’s what we call smart BG play.

[Welfarê-silvermoon]

@Inemia-rexxar

if you refuse to go and gear yourself, you have no excuse when you get steamrolled. you know that players are out there with more gear, asking for brackets is just asking for them to not be in your bgs because you don’t want to invest in your toon.

@Inemia-rexxar

hardly, and what i’m telling you is that would be a bad idea. there are already ways to handle having undergeared players on your team that don’t involve segregation or exclusion.

@Inemia-rexxar

you can always “git gud” and stop whining about ilvl. ilvl is not the reason you lost.

@Inemia-rexxar

yelling at me for judging you for doing a bad thing does not make the bad thing less bad. twinking is like beating up kids for candy, there is no sport in it. its the same kind of cheap win you feel when you cheat to win. even if twinking was its own legit thing the fact that it’s primarily used by sore losers to bully noobs makes it still a problem for the community as a whole.

Funny that you use the same arguments that we used in defending our preferred playstyle.

[Inemia-rexxar (Inemia)]

Funny that you use the same arguments that we used in defending our preferred playstyle.

the difference being that level cap gearing is dynamic, part of playing is the continuous process of gearing your toon, the shift in how it plays as gear and bonuses change and how you adapt to them is what it is about. adding ilvl brackets will do nothing but promote twinking at level cap. if the cutoff is 400 then you will have a ton of players sitting at 399.99 just to go pugstomp new players at 300. the current model means that there is some 415 M+ runner there to counter that.

further, as the expansion moves along, players will get catchup gear via afkfronts and M+ much easier, so the sub 400 bracket will quickly become a ghost town, and fresh 120s will have the same problem as xp off twinks.

[Sonbtrpn-bronzebeard (Sonbtrpn)]

blizz throws gear at you everywhere in bfa…
however, when people join expansion late they still want instant parity
/smh

get busy people
p.s. - (skill > gear) anyways so…just play and have fun.

[Grims-bloodhoof (Grims)]

You should have to complete all 3 Calligraphy quests to be able to queue.

I’d question the ability of my battleground-team mates to draw simple shapes.

[Nawat-emerald-dream (Nawat)]

Not winning in BGs for days will make them rage quit.

Lol I agree with the honor for gear thing but this has nothing to do with the op of the topic. Random bgs are random. Not winning has more to do with the player than your teams ilvl.

Are you going to lose a few because your team has a low ilvl? Absolutely. You’re also going to win some for the very same reason, it’s random and the other team will suck and have a low ilvl.

I won 4 of 7 on my fresh 300ilvl human spriest. I played smart and got lucky with teams. Separating based on ilvl is a terrible idea that achieves absolutely nothing.