Actions Taken to Curb Griefing by Repeatedly Leaving Groups

[Kelayne-pagle]

They of course wont respond to this and its one of the better post in here

[Paeldryth-hyjal (Paeldryth)]

@Zalathel-tichondrius

People are running wild with their imagination

This is what happens with basically every blue post no matter how much clarity is provided.

I think any reasonable person would understand what intentional griefing is, but people seemed to have completely skimmed past that part of the blue text.

[Etamalgren-drenden (Etamalgren)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

You aren’t punished for not timing either.

…What do you mean ‘you aren’t punished for not timing’?

The Keyholder’s key goes down a level and randomizes to a new dungeon.

You get anywhere from a full keystone level lower (if just barely failing to time the key) worth of M+ score to ZERO M+ score (if you’re more than 40% over time to time the key). [Plus an additional penalty of being counted as a +10 if doing keystones that are +11 and up – so a barely failed +12 will give M+ score as if it was a completed +9.]

One of the pieces of loot is dropped as if you completed a M+ dungeon that yielded gear one upgrade level lower than what you’re doing (i.e. if the M+ would’ve dropped two 613s, it will drop a 613 and a 610).

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

What metrics? Chat logs? Combat logs? The timer on the key? Those all are extremely relevant to the situation and they have given no indication what is reviewed.

[Elliorra-proudmoore (Elliorra)]

@Vinipally-moon-guard

Well, the only solution we have now is to look for a fixed group to do M+. The annoying thing about this is having to define specific times and days to be able to do M+. The cool thing about pugs is that you can simply create or join a group whenever you want. Really bad groups are rare, but it can happen that you are unlucky enough to join several horrible groups in the same day.

Yeah, I am more likely to try and run with guildies now. As I said before, I still need stuff from vault, so if it looks like the group can at least complete the 10 key without going like 30+ minutes over, I’ll stay for vault. But this is ridiculous holding people hostage if they get unlucky with several truly bad groups in a short time.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

In addition to plenty of that not being correct at all: M+ gives you full loot and vault for failing a key. That’s not a punishment, that’s debatable for being way too generous.

[Attimis-moon-guard]

@Cäpslöck-proudmoore

Which is why there’s a large population of M raiders

Missing context and citation needed.

Also, you don’t exactly get crests above carved in large quantities. Else our perspectives are very different.

I could say I have 182 Runed crests. But thats merely because I saved up.

[Zalathel-tichondrius (Zalathel)]

@Kiyoko-ravenholdt

What metrics? Chat logs? Combat logs? The timer on the key? Those all are extremely relevant to the situation and they have given no indication what is reviewed.

Considering how they handle this I’m pretty sure they have access to a ton of that information but as I said before they could easily elaborate it to the playerbase without giving it all away.

There is no way otherwise they would be able to do class balancing for raids to the extent they do it and obviously that is also hit or miss but that is another topic.

But I still think people are over exaggerating this far too much on either side. Anyone with half a brain can tell the flow of a key at 10 and higher by what is happening and anyone with half an analytical mind would be able to tell the difference as long as they have access to the information.

[Kalgard-chogall]

So when do we start banning DPS who die too much, or players who can’t do dps properly because a rotation is above a 3rd grade reading level? Both in the end are the same result a depleted key…This is a really weird precedent you’re setting.

[Nikolo-proudmoore]

@Kalgard-chogall

So when do we start banning DPS who die too much, or players who can’t do dps properly because a rotation is above a 3rd grade reading level? Both in the end are the same result a depleted key…This is a really weird precedent you’re setting…

All of those people gearing in Delves and jumping into M+7s that Ion was talking about…they gotta go, lol. (/s)

[Attimis-moon-guard]

@Kalgard-chogall

So when do we start banning DPS who die too much,

Again, if it falls to “the player is bad” perspective, one kick or sabo won’t be enough to suffice for a suspension.

But that SHOULD tell the player they’re treading in hard content. It might not be for them. But that’s okay.

[Zalathel-tichondrius (Zalathel)]

@Nikolo-proudmoore

All of those people gearing in Delves and jumping into M+7s that Ion was talking about…they gotta go, lol. (/s)

This is not bringing crest farming into the equation so from the beginning it is a flawed argument despite Ion using that metric himself.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

@Attimis-moon-guard

Also, you don’t exactly get crests above carved in large quantities.

Ignoring M+, you’re correct.

However, there’s noting in the game that’s stopping me from farming about 200 gilded crests this week in M+.

Already farmed 550 in keys, what’s another 200 more?

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

Being terminally bad is disruptive to the group. It should be punished.

[Nikolo-proudmoore]

@Zalathel-tichondrius

@Nikolo-proudmoore

All of those people gearing in Delves and jumping into M+7s that Ion was talking about…they gotta go, lol. (/s)

This is not bringing crest farming into the equation so from the beginning it is a flawed argument despite Ion using that metric himself.

Poor performance was the point…if you would have read the post I was responding too.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

I sincerely hope punishing people for leaving doomed groups isn’t their solution to delve > M+ onboarding.

[Zalathel-tichondrius (Zalathel)]

@Nikolo-proudmoore

Poor performance was the point…if you would have read the post I was responding too.

Obviously, what I replied was a side point to that is being worthy to include. Because if anyone believes Delvers are jumping straight into Mythic 7 without considering their gear or upgrading…Idk what to say.

People keep obviously forgetting all of these arguments, opinions and facts are two way streets.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

What they’re doing here is addressing the symptom, while ignoring the root problems.

[Evilbadguy-malganis (Evilbadguy)]

Finally some good news for a change, I’ll be sure to mass report any leavers and encourage the rest of the group to also do this now, it’s high time people leaving groups in keys higher than +8 which happens a lot get the punishments they deserve.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

It’s got real 4PM the day before the holiday vacation energy.