Accessibility should not have to be earned. Steady flying should be automatically available as an alternative

[Tenebrae-eredar]

Just ride, bro.
It’s the better experience.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Brewbaker-farstriders

@Qaccy-baelgun

The game’s still largely designed around being played without flight at all.

What in the world makes you think this is a true statement?

laughable desperation. lol.
Blizzard literally went out of their way to make the game designed FOR flight the last two expansions.
Yes, one CAN get around following the trails and roads, but its CLEARLY optimized for flight.

[Dreadgoat-kilrogg]

I would personally be satisfied if Blizzard would just ask a user to confidentally maintain a “I wish to opt out of dragonriding for accessibility reasons.” I’d award them access on the spot. Druids too, the game demands it.

But anyone else? Nope. However, in my method, they’d get it by just lying on the above.

We must not let Blizzard collect confidential health information. They don’t deserve confidential health information and cannot be trusted with confidential health information.

[Brewbaker-farstriders]

@Liolang-daggerspine

Blizzard literally went out of their way to make the game designed FOR flight the last two expansions.
Yes, one CAN get around following the trails and roads, but its CLEARLY optimized for flight.

You couldn’t do the campaign in DF without flying … a lot … far.

I think you could do the campaign in TWW on a ground mount, but I’m not sure.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Brewbaker-farstriders

You couldn’t do the campaign in DF without flying … a lot … far.

lol…how they getting down the core thing? jumping off the edge and praying to their gods to catch them? lol

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Dreadgoat-kilrogg

I would personally be satisfied if Blizzard would just ask a user to confidentally maintain a “I wish to opt out of dragonriding for accessibility reasons.” I’d award them access on the spot. Druids too, the game demands it.

Actually Id be cool with that kind of idea.
You get flight day one…of your choosing…and then you do pathfinder for the other version of flight

Problem solved and Ion can keep his precious PF to toy with our emotions lol

[Brewbaker-farstriders]

@Liolang-daggerspine

They know they are just flat out lying when they try to pretend that fine tune landings are exactly the same with either flight mode…lol

With practice you do get much, much better at it.

For most folks it is just a matter of practice. But because this is not a “competitive flying” game, I think that Blizzard should be accommodating to players who just aren’t into dynamic flying.

@Liolang-daggerspine

lol…how they getting down the core thing?

Idk, we should give it a try and see what happens?

At the worst, goblin glider down then run.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Brewbaker-farstriders

With practice you do get much, much better at it.

For most folks it is just a matter of practice. But because this is not a “competitive flying” game, I think that Blizzard should be accommodating to players who just aren’t into dynamic flying.

I love flight sims any way so skyriding is just really natural feeling for me. The faster and crazier it is, the more I love it. lol.
Definitely a lot of fun for those who can handle it.

@Brewbaker-farstriders

Idk, we should give it a try and see what happens?

At the worst, goblin glider down then run.

it would be hilarious to see a player standing there at the edge wondering how hes sposed to get down there for the one quest…then just jumping off and splatting at the bottom, lol

Glider would probably be the only choice without flight, Id think…until one gets some of the flight paths.

[Qaccy-baelgun (Qaccy)]

Because…it is? Everything that ‘requires’ flight as of skyriding’s introduction is either optional or has some other vehicle or mechanism that lets you skip it. I won’t argue that it’s not slower to navigate without player-controlled flight, but it’s definitely possible.

[Brewbaker-farstriders]

@Qaccy-baelgun

Everything that ‘requires’ flight as of skyriding’s introduction is either optional or has some other vehicle or mechanism that lets you skip it.

In DF? No.

In TWW? I’m not sure.

[Mortnoctis-lightninghoof]

@Qaccy-baelgun

verything that ‘requires’ flight as of skyriding’s introduction is either optional or has some other vehicle or mechanism that lets you skip it.

IN Dawnbreaker it is mandatory to catch the boss, I did not see a skip or i would have used both hands on the" skip me" button

[Brewbaker-farstriders]

@Mortnoctis-lightninghoof

IN Dawnbreaker it is mandatory to catch the boss

Yeah I haven’t done even half the dungeons yet so I can’t say anything about that.

[Alletalleth-wyrmrest-accord]

@Evilira-barthilas

@Pipsayin-stormrage

(This isn’t an isolated case–there are multiple times I’ve seen people comment that they’re unable to dragonride for various reasons.)

Every game isn’t for every person.

weird how every time people say this it isnt about “well, I’m sorry you dont like the genre for story or gameplay reasons” but because someone is pissed off that someone who is less able wont suck it up and stop reminding them that disabled people exist

[Brocade-benediction]

Bots can’t skyride yet?

Tragic.

[Falnagin-garona]

@Shadybolt-thrall

It is locked behind the lowest possible requirement that can exist in the game.

Not true. Anniversary gifts are.

@Shadybolt-thrall

Because the way people used this type of flying is to skip content, distance themselves from the game, avoid players, avoid playing, and trivialize content.

From the moment flying was put into the game there have been ways for the devs to limit flying. And they used them. From the flying city guards of TBC to these annoying web spider thingies that dismount you that we have now. Oh, and how about the ‘no mount’ zones around NPCs? If your stated concerns were the devs concerns they have many ways to address that creatively. And they occasionally do so. I don’t think this argument has as much merit as you do.

@Shadybolt-thrall

rather because of how people use the thing to make the game smaller, distance themselves from players, interact less with the world, view people as a means to an end, and a myriad of other psychological impacts that the design of TBC flying caused.

This happened with Vanilla. It seems crazy now but if something you wanted to do involved a long-distance ride you can bet the group didn’t include a walker with a bunch of riders. It has always been with us.

But yah I totally agree with people losing their minds. Little bit of inconvenience? Let me get my keyboard warmed up for the forums.

Peace man.

[Qaccy-baelgun (Qaccy)]

Considering the constraints of mounting in combat and the context, I can’t really expect this to be one of the instances where a ‘skip’ is given since that’s essentially skipping a mechanic and everyone, skyrider or not, would be taking that option in that case. Why do a mechanic when it can be skipped? But steady flight’s enabled, so there’s that. As well as ride-along, which was brought up on Tindral back in DF as well.

[Evilira-barthilas]

@Alletalleth-wyrmrest-accord

I’m sorry you dont like the genre for story or gameplay reasons” but because someone is pissed off that someone who is less able wont suck it up and stop reminding them that disabled people exist

Those people are in luck! They can enjoy the story without the old flight mechanic.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Alletalleth-wyrmrest-accord

weird how every time people say this it isnt about “well, I’m sorry you dont like the genre for story or gameplay reasons” but because someone is pissed off that someone who is less able wont suck it up and stop reminding them that disabled people exist

Thankfully players like that dont get to make the game rules.
Ion has spoken…

https://youtu.be/bW4VNtTx5us?t=1018
Ion H: “steady flight has its place, certainly for accessibility reasons”

…those ones will have to come to terms with that fact.

[Alletalleth-wyrmrest-accord]

@Shadybolt-thrall

TBC Flying wasn’t locked because it was flying, but rather because of how people use the thing to make the game smaller, distance themselves from players, interact less with the world, view people as a means to an end, and a myriad of other psychological impacts that the design of TBC flying caused.

Its adorable you think skyriding changes any of that and tells me you dont interact with the warcraft playerbase at all if you think skyriding magically makes players empathetic to other players

[Alletalleth-wyrmrest-accord]

@Evilira-barthilas

@Alletalleth-wyrmrest-accord

I’m sorry you dont like the genre for story or gameplay reasons” but because someone is pissed off that someone who is less able wont suck it up and stop reminding them that disabled people exist

Those people are in luck! They can enjoy the story without the old flight mechanic.

lol, as usual the cowardly weirdo hiding behind a level 10 alt while pretending to be witty, a story truly older than time