Absent Class Tuning

[Nasrajin-sargeras]

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

then why bring up rating at all?

Because rating IS a measure and expression of skill. You are losing over half of your games against below-average players. If you really knew what you were doing, that would not be the case. It’s okay to not know, everyone starts somewhere. It’s also okay to just be wrong; I’m wrong all the time and I learn from that!

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

not everyone wants to play the melee wound build. there is also supposed to be a fully viable dot build and fully viable pet build in unholy. there is a reason it gets treated like its own subclass. don’t forget that it’s also supposed to be an unkillable juggernaut all the time, not just the tail end of S4 with 50% versa.

Dk is NOT supposed to be an unkillable juggernaut. It had that identity in BFA (and all of slands vs wizards) and it was incredibly miserable/toxic to play against. Further, this isn’t POE, not every class has multiple unique builds. There may be some slight variations, but more or less the fundamentals of the specs are the same regardless of talent choices.

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

and the lack of dot snapshotting is a damage loss because you may only have peak AP for a few seconds while your buffs and procs overlap. snapshotting also adds a skill element because you need to track your snapshots and not just press buttons on rotation without thought

Snapshotting, while neat in theory, is also INCREDIBLY frustrating and annoying to balance/play around as evidenced by the feral community for the last decade and a half. Further, dots are SUCH a small part of unholy’s damage.

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

ie, only the places you want to matter for argument’s sake, you can’t say DK tops meters everywhere because it doesn’t

In every arena setting it does. I’ve never seen a dk not top scoreboard damage, win or lose, outside of games where something literally dies in the open. The game is also more pve focused than ever, so that damage portion is EXTREMELY meaningful.

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

current meta is some of the most PVE faceroll gameplay in years

Yes, and DK is one of the best classes at pve.

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

i just told you, dps dk does. the combination of DS nerfs, armor nerfs, and loss of a few spells mechanically has left them in a bad state, sure, you can go mongo some wins by pressing army, but isn’t the same as outplaying someone in a calculated exchange of cooldowns to see who breaks under pressure first

Dk has better and stronger offensive CDs than most other classes, though, and can basically get tbeir damage off without repercussion assuming they exhibit even a modicum of setup.

@Inemia-wyrmrest-accord

as long as we have defensive and survival issues from the DS and armor nerfs, the class is trash.

DK is still significantly more survivable than most specs. If these things are significantly impacting you, then youre playing wrong and that’s okay.

@Demoniclily-kiljaeden

And actually blood’s damage isn’t the worse and their niche is that they kidnap someone, I call it “get in the van” cleave, and just take someone across the map and never let them leave.

I helped a blood dk M+ buddy who had never pvpd get his 2100 S2 for the shadowflame enchant and we played bdk+ele sham in 2v2. Finished like 36-3 or something and it was honestly pretty insane.