Abolish glacial spike

[Erpolith-moon-guard]

@Tuckletuts-caelestrasz

All these young twitch players complaining that a 2 second cast is too slow… Clearly they never played when Frostbolt was a 3 second cast and Fireball was 3.6 seconds…

When was that? I don’t remember mage spells to be that slow or are you talking untalented?

[Smaragdt-area-52]

Nope. Most of the time you casted FB, flurry+2x lances in st

Only FB is boring= shadowlands gameplay.

[Nitroxien-illidan]

@Pediatrician-pagle

I can’t stand glacial spike. It slows down the APM too much and breaks the general combat flow. ALSO If I wanted to play a builder spender combo points spec I would play arcane or rogue.

I’m sorry did you just say DF arcane mage was a build spender type class… I swear people are just talking w/ authority on topics they know nothing about.

[Tuckletuts-caelestrasz (Tuckletuts)]

Probably untalented. It’s been a long time since I logged into classic, but my points still stands that back in the good old days our filler spell had a much longer cast time than GS, and that young people are the worst.

Given it looks like Frost is likely not running Ray (from the little I read), losing GS would essentially bring them back to spamming FBolt and IL. Not that I intend to play TWW, but I can see that being a major “nope” for a lot of players if it becomes a thing again.

[Usholy-azgalor]

I feel frost has a certain flow to it and glacial spike just kills that flow for me. I don’t mind comet storm or ray of frost, but glacial spike feels terrible especially in aoe

[Pediatrician-pagle]

I didn’t say DF arcane, and you completely skipped rogue. I should have said rogue and warlock, but you should get the point.

[Zerida-mannoroth]

@Tuckletuts-caelestrasz

All these young twitch players complaining that a 2 second cast is too slow… Clearly they never played when Frostbolt was a 3 second cast and Fireball was 3.6 seconds…

@Tuckletuts-caelestrasz

Probably untalented. It’s been a long time since I logged into classic, but my points still stands that back in the good old days our filler spell had a much longer cast time than GS, and that young people are the worst.

Given it looks like Frost is likely not running Ray (from the little I read), losing GS would essentially bring them back to spamming FBolt and IL. Not that I intend to play TWW, but I can see that being a major “nope” for a lot of players if it becomes a thing again.

You conveniently leave the part out when back in the day you could plant your feet down and not move an inch in that fight because boss fight required for you to do approximately absolutely zero movement in a 5-10 min fight. I would love to see you try those 3.5 sec casting times on a boss like Mythic Nymue or Sarkareth lol.

[Erpolith-moon-guard]

@Tuckletuts-caelestrasz

Probably untalented. It’s been a long time since I logged into classic, but my points still stands that back in the good old days our filler spell had a much longer cast time than GS, and that young people are the worst.

I grew up playing hard casted Soulfires and Pyroblasts. Whenever a spell casts less than 2.5 seconds I feel like a teenager on a sugar rush.

[Nitroxien-illidan]

So what do you want the frost rotation to be out of curiosity FB Flurry lance lance wait for fof procs and repeat… This class would actually be 10x easier then BM hunter at least they have to keep up frenzy stacks lol and make sure to not cap on kill command.

[Pediatrician-pagle]

Dunno’ what to tell you, somehow people lived for 19 of the 20 years WoW existed as Frost Mage without GL being mandatory. I somehow think you’ll be fine if they take out this APM reducing, flow killing spell.

[Ravenfell-azralon (Ravenfell)]

@Zerida-mannoroth

I would love to see you try those 3.5 sec casting times on a boss like Mythic Nymue or Sarkareth lol.

Glacial Spike is 2.75s cast time before Haste and you have access to Ice Floes or Shimmer. Ice Floes is incredible for Frost btw.

@Tuckletuts-caelestrasz

Given it looks like Frost is likely not running Ray (from the little I read)

Ray is back on the menu after the recent buff.

[Ttvfungames-proudmoore]

@Nitroxien-illidan

So what do you want the frost rotation to be out of curiosity FB Flurry lance lance wait for fof procs and repeat… This class would actually be 10x easier then BM hunter at least they have to keep up frenzy stacks lol and make sure to not cap on kill command.

Frostbolt>flurry>frostboltx3>flurry if at max distance, otherwise frostboltx2>flurry. Make icicles actually do damage and dump icicles when at max stacks. Probably should have 10 icicles instead of 5. Frost bomb for PvE too, used on cooldown every 15 seconds, if not used on cooldown its a dps loss, get rid of glacial.

Everytime I have WM off and I’m questing, not having frost bomb feels so bad in PvE. I don’t know how you mages are doing it? Feels gross!

[Tuckletuts-caelestrasz (Tuckletuts)]

I agree that not having Frost Bomb feels bad. It would have been a great way to boost Frost AOE without needing to play silly buggers with CoC etc.

However

@Ttvfungames-proudmoore

Frostbolt>flurry>frostboltx3>flurry if at max distance, otherwise frostboltx2>flurry.

just sounds awful for a rotation. Like, TBC levels of easymode. Don’t get me wrong, I love the old Cata-era slow nuke playstyle, but that’s not what this is.

[Nitroxien-illidan]

@Pediatrician-pagle

Dunno’ what to tell you, somehow people lived for 19 of the 20 years WoW existed as Frost Mage without GL being mandatory. I somehow think you’ll be fine if they take out this APM reducing, flow killing spell.

So GS was in frost in Legion and BFA then removed in SL and frost was considered one of the worst specs to play since it was so boring…

Before Legion rotations were so stupid easy they make current day BM hunter look like a PHD…

So to answer your question a) they did not play 20 years of WoW without it, in modern WoW when it was not there frost mage sucked and was awful, and b) the game has changed so much since WoD that even comparing the game to back then is insane.

[Frozeidon-zuljin]

I’m also sick of GS. 1 season maybe. 4 in a row?

[Nitroxien-illidan]

@Ttvfungames-proudmoore

Frostbolt>flurry>frostboltx3>flurry if at max distance, otherwise frostboltx2>flurry. Make icicles actually do damage and dump icicles when at max stacks. Probably should have 10 icicles instead of 5. Frost bomb for PvE too, used on cooldown every 15 seconds, if not used on cooldown its a dps loss, get rid of glacial.

This sounds beyond boring… Instead of using ice lance to proc winters chill we are sitting there casting frostbolt to proc it, and just reacting to FoF when they are up which would proc icicles… This somehow sounds worst then shadowlands frost.

Icicles are a fundamentally boring thing they are just passive dmg that you don’t play around. More icicles does not mean more damage and you can’t overcap on icicles either they just allow for a burst of dmg if you let them pile up which frost has no way to benefit from.

[Snozay-area-52]

@Frozeidon-zuljin

I’m also sick of GS. 1 season maybe. 4 in a row

Wasn’t icelance build better for season 1 of DF?

[Zerida-mannoroth]

@Ravenfell-azralon

Glacial Spike is 2.75s cast time before Haste and you have access to Ice Floes or Shimmer. Ice Floes is incredible for Frost btw.

And your point being is? I am perfectly aware of those spells. I don’t know what it has to do with anything.

[Aloriath-proudmoore]

I may not like Glacial Spike being mandatory, but it should not be removed or “abolished” (what a hyperbolic verb).

[Ravenfell-azralon (Ravenfell)]

The point being you have tools to help with movement heavy fights and with the amount of Haste we play with, it’s actually a sub 2s cast without Icy Veins or lust.