I remember doing really good dps until wow thought bringing back glacial spike would be a great option,i never liked the spell cause it was very clunky and caused too much focus,i hope in tww that it’s only an option but not the main spell.
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Glacial spike is cool. If you want an abysmally repetitive rotation play Hunter.
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Glacial Spike is great, probably one of the best feeling spells in the game, seeing your damage skyrocket every time you throw it. With Icy Floes it feels even better since you can just dodge everything while casting it.
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Spike is awesome. Nothing clunky about it.
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I’m with you, GS is way way too slow, it kills my flow.
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In TWW, Glacial Spike will no longer be mandatory. It will still deal a large amount of burst damage, but there will be other ways to specialize your Frost mage.
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Same here.
I hate glacial! 2 Seasons were ENOUGH!
Now pls let us enjoy the playstyle before the rework, without glacial+ rof. Thanks.
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So what you want is just FB and IL?
Just spamming FB should never do more dmg than pressing active abilities.
Frost core mechanic is shatter. Shattering bigger spells should do more dmg.
I’m all in for having different playstlyes and I get that you hate Glacial (I hate Comet Storm and never use it) but a simple one should not overshadow using active abilities.
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Just make it so it changes ice lance to glacial spike at 5 stacks and keep it instant. Adjust damage accordingly.
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it shoulg get the Mind flay : insanity transition , at X icicles , frostbolt converts into glacial spike or something like that , it can work even with DC triple glacial spike 
I liked the shimmer-lancing in legion sometimes.
But the pre-rework gameplay fb, flurry 2x lance was ok.
Ofc i had +wished+ for some new abilities with TWW, but sadly Blizzad is just lazy.
Instead of creating some new abilities they just undust the boring Shadowlands ability (which i do not liked at all= it was even less than pre-work frost gameplay…just FB + flurry…)
Some new aoe-range-spell for example would be nice…like the big frost-beam that Jaina used in the BFA fight or a totally NEW spell. (cough…perma pet tree…+scrap spellslinger hero tree and make it to a pet tree 
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The icon for frost is a frostbolt :s
I personally enjoyed wrath fire living bomb rotation on Ulduar last boss where if you didn’t have 95-100% living bomb uptime every time it fell off, you were not top meters. It was really difficult to manage and weave spells with. Much harder than glacial. Much more rewarding. I hate spamming lance and frostbolt in PvE. I loved No Ice Lance glacial build though because it was an easy entry into PvE. I would not mind something like winters chill+frostbolt spam like vanilla honestly. The game should not be about rotation or dps so much. It should be more about mechanics and not dying. Casting frost bolts when you can. Having instant cast ice lances to gen icicles make it easier to avoid mechanics. I’m not a pver but the icicle system seems stupid and instant cast spells should not be able to generate icicles so easily. I much rather frostbolt 5x and then glacial. It should be very hard to get off those frostbolts if you are not good with positioning. Ice floes is a dumb option imo. Should be regular blink, possibly shimmer. I am a huge classic PvE fan though. If they just kept that style, but with challenging mechanics, could be a great game.
Only FoF Icelances or Ice lances into Winter’s chill generate icicles. Which you get by casting frostbolt… This was introduced to avoid the Glacial Spike no Ice lance playstyle. Ice lance is a core mechanic of the spec.
Frostbolt is our filler/builder to get Brain Freeze procs, FoF procs and Icicles. Just spam frostbolt → WoW Classic.
Frost is about shatter combos, shatter Icelance, Comet Storm, Glacial Spike, Ray of Frost, etc.
It’s good because you can use it cast Glacial and Ray of Frost on the move to avoid mechanics in PvE or in PvP with all the mobility melee have. I don’t like Shimmer because I lose my ability to get out of roots and stuns.
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I’ve always hated Glacial Spike. It feels clunky and takes away from the core rotation to me. That being said, it should absolutely remain for those who do enjoy it. Just no more DF S3/S4 nonsense where tier bonuses make it absurdly stronger than other options.
I’m okay with it mathing out to a few % more as it’s such a laborious ability to manage. I’m not sure about the hard numbers at 80 but I’m assuming it’ll be optional again. And I’m having a ton of fun with a Death’s Chill+Cold Front build.
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I can’t stand glacial spike. It slows down the APM too much and breaks the general combat flow. ALSO If I wanted to play a builder spender combo points spec I would play arcane or rogue.
Hopefully they tune it to be a small DPS increase so it’s optional.
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Glacial Spike is goated. Ice Lance or Frostbolt spam are both terrible gameplay.
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No Frost actually has nothing going on without GS… Like I don’t get this argument of remove GS it’s the ONLY THING FROST DOES. Else it’s press frostbolt and use FoF procs… This is an awful rotation
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All these young twitch players complaining that a 2 second cast is too slow… Clearly they never played when Frostbolt was a 3 second cast and Fireball was 3.6 seconds…
I actually miss the old days where the specs had an APM of about 30 compared tothe 60-80 they have now. You could take your time to appreciate the gameplay and boss mechanics without smashing your keyboard like a cracked-out weasel.
The idea of just spamming Frostbolt, and maybe IL, is terrible. There’s a reason why the devs went so far out of their way to break the NoIL and IL-Spam builds of BfA/SL. I’m not saying that Frost needs 50 buttons to push, but there’s a good middle ground between that and two.
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On the one hand its cast time is cumbersome. On the other the spec is otherwise highly mobile and we do have tools (icy flows, shimmer) to mitigate it.
I think it’s probably about how it should be. I could see maybe dropping the base cast time down to 2.5.
LOL you mean just casting frostblot 90% of the time? Yea coz that’s sure is a fun and interesting playstyle.
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