I’m a retail player and my opinion is. Some ppl like retail and others like classic. Simple as that
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I don’t consider them arbitrary because the progress is permanent/lasting. The example I gave of UI optimization was just one possible example so that I wasn’t making a laundry list. I’ve also pvp’d to rank 14 twice (one in the old system, once in the new). I’ve started new guilds, I’ve contributed to reviving old guilds. The team I raid with now is still breaking it’s personal best kill times on several bosses each week. I have three of every profession cooldown… a lot of these things were just personal goals that there is not an in-game quest for obviously, but the point is that this progress stays.
…because it’s quite literally not feasible to do so in retail when there are constantly new abilities being added or changed every few weeks, new artifact/legendary items being thrown in that make a mandatory adjustment to your class’s rotation only to turn into “Legacy bonus: inactive” a few months later… There legitimately isn’t the room to fully refine anything in retail because it’s like an ocean with constantly shifting waves, whereas Era is like a serene lake of quantified volume that has the full picture in place already; it can actually build up to something long-term instead of just being washed away by the next patch.
all what you said about retail leveling is the same as classic…and even worse if your class allow it, mages can simply aoe anything, and warr/rogue even paly can grab a 4~5group of mobs and smash them if the mobs are 2~3 lvl lower…etc, anyone can lvl by killing lower mobs and doing green quests and find zero challenge in leveling.
meanwhile i retail with the mobs being same lvl as u no matter what lvl u r, it’s more interesting and you can’t spam killing green mobs as u can do in classic.
if you want a harder leveling with challenge then you should seek wow vanilla before patch 1.10, because this version of classic u r playing have buffed mana regain and buffed health regain, revamped stats/talents and every class can level so much easier than ever.
also if u wanna play retail, do not use RDF and you will find it 1000% better in leveling via quests, even better than classic.
My play style is to do every quest in level order, so I’m usually doing quests 2-3 levels below me. As a Ret Paladin, my limit is 2 comfortably. I don’t have any aoe yet and won’t until I’m in my 50’s. I’m lvl 35 right now. So what you’re saying may be true for some classes/builds, but not the majority. On my Prot pally in retail I pull an entire area, which is about 10+ mobs and it’s not challenging to do.
Edit: That’s with up-to-date green gear from the AH. Maybe people in dungeon blues are doing what you described, I’ll let others chime in on that. I can’t get or start a group to save my life. That’s the life of a Ret pally who plays in 1-2 hr increments throughout the week
This is how people are supposed to play. Anyone who says “I’ve run out of quests” isn’t playing this game right.
if they have a lvl 60 friend helping them in quests to kill mobs, they do not get much exp from kills, therefore they finish all the quests without getting good leveling.
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Which is also by design.
Spoken like a true manic Minecraft child.
It’s always the Tauren preaching facts.
/moo
Eh, retail isn’t fun. Ding to max level in a day before spamming the same dungeons, over and over, for some loot that isn’t even rewarding half the time.
Only time I actually had fun on retail was during the clothing competition contests that they host once a year. Other than that, it’s a spam-fest of the same dungeons for loot. PVP is boring compared to classic, as-well, I find. Maxed out gladiator gear, easily, and stopped playing… just shows that the PVP wasn’t fun, but merely a chore for a reward.
Classic has World PVP, something that TWW struggles to maintain, despite those caches being scattered all over the map.
are you in the movie birdbox?
Cool, but you don’t raid mythic nor do you do ff14’s version and you never did so your opinion on difficulty in either game is irrelevant. Calling me small is also pointless. It’s not an insult to tell you that you haven’t raided at a meaningful level in WoW or FF14. It’s just a fact. “I used to raid in wow competitively.” What a joke.
What you did in ICC in wrath wasn’t competitive, not by the modern game’s standards by a long shot.
I know exactly how it works, and WoW is an MMO which means there is a certain level of grind associated with it.
100% the people who say things such as “M+ is the worst thing that ever happened to the game” are terrible at M+. You hate it because you can’t do it at a meaningful level.
H+ in classic and M+ in retail are both terrible systems for the same reason, they’re an excuse for blizzard to be lazy and reuse content instead of making new content.
M+ is only marginally better because at least it scales up to the point of being useful as more than a pure catchup mechanic and has alternating affixes.
… you literally did what you said you weren’t going to do.
Your whole list was literally subjective. Get out of here with your nonsense
This current season, m+ is the worst part of the game. I play it. It’s been drama for months, and they had to make gilded crests easier twice because people stopped playing. I was 2750 before fresh came out, man, is it still frost dk, enh sham, Aug, prot paly, disc priest?
I also quit in cataclysm… because cata sucks… but cata isnt retail. I came back in BFA … its a totally diff game now. but its not cata garbage.
You hit the nail on the head.
I played wow in the early 2000’s raided a ton in BC and WotLK, then quit in Cataclysm after the changes to the hunter class made me no longer enjoy the character and I started dating someone who sucked and hated me playing video games.
I tried with retail but the vibes just were not right for me. I leveled to max in Dragonflight, but I missed how realms functioned, I missed waiting for things and chatting with strangers at the Zeppelin while we trade buffs. I never saw the same people out and about, like on Aggramar Horde back in the day you knew people- we had Fyzzl the Bloodsail Admiral who would interact on the forums and RP in game in a legitimately funny way, and Big Papi the Tauren Hunter who’s giant Armani warbear was constantly being flexed outside of the Orgrimmar bank. (The Horde on Aggy was terrible we didn’t clear AQ40 until BC) I know this may sound silly to some but that’s kinda what made the game for me, the feeling that we were all a community, you got to know people, while in retail I find it flnd it difficult to make connections.
I’m really quite pleased to say the feeling is back on the anniversary realms. I’m so glad I heard about them and it has really been fun getting the chance to experience some of that magic again. If it’s not your kinda jam, I get it- but after 20 years Azeroth feels great, and my framerate is much better nowadays.
TL:DR I have nostalgia for old WoW and Anniversary makes me very happy.
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