Why don’t you try actually sharing the verses instead of making baseless claims?
Take your latest comment, replace the word “Bible” with “Talmud” or “Qu’ran”. Does what you say sound bigoted then?
I answered all of your questions, and you didn’t answer my question. So, I will ask again :
I didn’t ask if you were conflicted. I asked if you would support legalized abortion in the cases of forced assault? Would you allow for that exception under law?
Even saying you don’t know would be more of an answer than “I am conflicted”. Most Pro Choice folks aren’t exactly thrilled, either - it is an unfortunate circumstance.
When given the option, they chose it - but now they want to take the choice away from others? That is disgusting hypocrisy.
Abortions for me but not for thee…
You ask as if you are the only person we could come in contact with. There are many folks who feel as you do. Your questions were ridiculous.
I mean, I am not asking you if you met pro choice people. I find it irrelevant. But I still answered you.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."
Basic stuff bud…
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The Bible was also writen and censored by the Council of Nicea in 300AD it’s not even the original Bible. It was censored and adjusted to be more political and to control women and exclude them from having rights.
The Bible has been censored and changed over and over to suit political need. Changes even in the 20th to remove SA against children and replace the word with “homosexual” it was never a sin to be homosexual in the Bible until it was changed in the 1930’s
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That’s found in the Talmud and Qu’ran too. Nothing to say about those books?
They’re just as disgusting too.
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There’s something like…around 300+ books missing or taken out of the original bible. A lot of it scholars say points to some rather unflattering truths. The Bible we have now has been so heavily edited and translated from other languages, a lot the verses lost their original intent/meaning
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Yeah, that Peter the apostle was a raging mysogynist and Mark and Matthew constantly spoke out against him.
Mark and Matthew’s gospels are heavily censored. Jesus and Mary’s gospels also never made it in the Bible and the gospels of the seven female disciples were also banned.
Peter was also very hateful towards the Babylonians and especially the cult of Ishtar because of sacred prostitution and that’s why he would publicly argue with Mary Magdaline who was previously a pristess of Ishtar. That’s why she’s denouced as a “prostitute” in a derogatory term in the Bible, she was Babylonian. In one of Mark’s gospels he talks about thier explosive public fights.
I find it interesting that 3000-5000 years ago we still had the same divisive politics. And possibly more rights for women than historians previously thought.
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I answered your question. Just because I didn’t give a “yes” or “no” answer to your question doesn’t meant I avoided it.
I think a woman who did it and regretted it, by your logic, has more of a right to talk about abortion than you or me. Or are you a woman who’s had an abortion?
Thanks for explaining. I asked because your talk about pro-life people sounded like you were stereotyping.
Peter was obsessed with keeping the Jewish traditions thats why and Mark and Matthew were like Uh…this isn’t the message Jesus wants us to spread.
Jesus was a man who while loving and caring, didn’t put up with anyone’s ish behavior. And he got killed for it
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Yes. You avoided it. You would not answer if it should be legal under those circumstances.
Saying you are conflicted does not answer the question. It merely expresses your feelings about the situation, while avoiding an answer.
I disagree. I think we all have the right to talk about it. In fact, their opinions mean nothing to me, because they are hypocritical. They had the option. They chose the option. But they want to forbid others from having the choice? That is the height of hypocrisy.
That’s like using all the hot water, and then banning hot water. Craziness.
I can at least respect the honesty of an anti abortionist like Sarah Palin because she lives it. Her child was going to be born with defects, and she carried it to term. Fine. But the people you listed - someone who took the opportunity when given, then would deny it to others - is frightening.
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He’s supposed to provide for his wife and child, right?
Although, now the model is practiced “parents work, the child is in kindergarten, perhaps an unemployed relative is engaged in upbringing (rather, everyday life)”, right?
Although, if you add basic income, then the “paying” argument goes to the dustbin.
Everyone will control, enslave,
And having raised himself a freak, he will make him dance …
Hmm.
In psychology, there is a statement “The child needs a model for both roles”? Or was it related to gender?
Hee-hee, Parent-for-hire professional courses.
“Military Sexual Violence” rhymes with “tape”?
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Citation needed.
As for the passage you cherry-picked Micah;
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."
Exodus 22:16-17 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins."
Together, these passages clearly state that if a man has sex with a virgin who is not betrothed (regardless of whether it was consensual or not) he is obliged to marry her. He should have sought her father’s permission first, negotiated a bride-price, and taken her as his wife. Because he did not, he is punished for this—he now must pay up (he can’t opt out any more) and marry her (which could be a major punishment in itself if this was spur-of-the-moment act or a one-off hateful encounter).
Also note that “he may not divorce her all his days” – this initially doesn’t seem significant but is actually a major punishment. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (restated more clearly in Matthew 5:32 and Matthew 19:9) allowed for divorce, but only in the case of sexual immorality (the word “uncleanness” refers to this and was translated as such in the LXX). This man now may not divorce his wife even for this reason, but is obliged to continue to support her all his life whatever she does.
But her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. If the man is unsuitable, the father can refuse to give his daughter to him. How many fathers would give their daughter to that man? Not many. So, in general, her attacker would actually have to pay a 50 silver shekel fine to her father, and not get a wife at all.
The answer to the question is in Exodus 22:17. The woman does NOT have to marry her attacker, she must only do what her father says.
Note that throughout the Old Testament no SA victim is every recording as being made to marry her attacker.
Citation needed for everything you just said.
Then let me rephrase my answer using words you will understand; I don’t know.
I never said those women I listed had gotten abortions, just that they were famous women who opposed abortions. In fact, Celine Dion considered getting one but changed her mind and didn’t.
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Forcing a woman to marry the person who violated her still bad Thaddeus….the mere fact that your justifying it is sickening
Like what actual……?
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I’m not justifying it. Can you name anyone that actually happened to in Scripture?
But you are, you don’t think you are, but yes, you are. And we know it happened, the Bible might not name anyone specifically, but you can bet it happened a lot in those times.
Are there instructions in the scriptures in case a woman sexually assaults a man?
For someone who prides themselves on facts and evidence – I mean, I’m a Christian, so what do I know about those, right? – you do a lot of expecting people to take your words on faith.
You’re not the first Bible attacker to try and twist Deuteronomy 22:28-29 into evidence that the Bible is backwards, cruel, and misogynist, and therefore, not the Word of God… and you won’t be the last.
I’m not forcing you to believe it. You’re welcome to keep your head buried in the sand. I didn’t say the Bible was bad. I just said I don’t get my morality from it.
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