The father gets almost 0 say in what happens. That is absolutely an inequality, but I’m afraid it’s one we have to deal with, for now. Artificial wombs can’t come soon enough, lol.
Luckily there isn’t a pandemic (at least to my knowledge) of men being cheated out of fatherhood, as for those getting roped into supporting a child they never wanted or intended to make, I wonder if in a perfect world this support can instead come from the government and the father gets to forget about his accident.
I deleted my question because I remembered that we as brothers in Christ can disagree on things. My question was, as a Christian, why are you siding with non-Christians mocking a fellow brother in Christ?
And why did you accuse me of cowardice, then turn around and say to Shernish I might have been venting? Neither of us are perfect, so maybe we both jumped the gun there. By the way, are you going to respond to Kazthan?
I kept bringing it back to the woman because in Western society the man has no say about the baby’s fate after the sex that conceived the baby. Also, do you agree that sex is only for marriage?
What is the “classic” childbirth deal?
Father is the supply of “resources” to provide.
Mother - processing resources, providing and raising a child.
Both parties have the right to interact with the child equally and influence the area of responsibility of the other.
In the event of a break in the “contract”, the obligations of the “father” and “mother” remain partially and fully; the “father” is deprived / limited in the ability to interact with the child.
Um … why did I write this?
What is the situation with surrogacy and adoption for single men?
I don’t know, look it up?
Because you deleted it. About the same time I started typing my reply. Coincidence? I think not!
And also in Western society, the blame of unwanted pregnancies nearly always falls on the woman alone. The fact that other people including myself had to tell you that men are also responsible is pretty alarming.
Usually people on the right tend to write comments that are signs of venting only to delete them right after they typed it.
Personally the whole idea of marriage is kinda silly. I mean marriage originally meant that “the man owns the woman”. Because of this I don’t have a problem with premarital sex. If two consenting adults are loyal to each other, let a thousand blossoms bloom. But I won’t be spending any time on it as every 3 months someone is killed by a crocodile in far north Queensland.
Why? We both ultimately agree that in the end it is the mothers choice as she is the one who has to live with the baby and later give birth to it.
I explained why I actually deleted the comment, do you still think I did it out of cowardice?
I’m a swinging voter with center-right ideas on politics (more center than right). In light of your remark about the right-wing, what about you?
You didn’t have to tell me about women getting the blame for unwanted pregnancies, but it’s not men in Western society making women get abortions after consensual sex - almost always they’re doing that themselves.
Do you believe in God? That Jesus is the only way to salvation? In the Holy Spirit?
Citation needed about marriage originally meaning “the man owns the woman”.
More like you were saving face after being called out. Honestly deleted it made you look sus. Maybe don’t delete questions right after you edited them in?
Since we are questioning my faith, I can throw those questions back at you.
I mean it is pretty insulting that you dare question me as a Christian because I don’t follow the exact same beliefs as you.
Have you read the bible or noticed how Western society basically treated married women as property who deserve no voice? That they should just shut up and stay in the kitchen?
No. He shouldn’t. It’s not his body carrying the child and he shouldn’t force anyone to carry his baby.
Unless he goes through surrogacy, forcing his child on an unwilling host should be treated the same as the thing that rhymes with tape.
I have you blocked because you are a misogynist. Looks like I made the right choice. I’m glad I trusted my gut.
Well, that is one reason it must remain legal. If you take away the option entirely, then they would not have the choice - being further victimized by being forced to carry a child to term that was forced on them.
Would you agree with at least allowing abortion to be legal in those cases?
Those are hardly acceptable alternatives at all if they force a woman to bring a pregnancy to full term.
If a woman finds out she is pregnant, and doesn’t want to carry the child, she should be able to choose what happens to her body. Especially in the first trimester. Full stop.
That depends. As I said earlier, there should always be exceptions, like fetal inviability or the health of the mother. So I would not ban them out right.
I laid out my thoughts earlier, they align largely with Roe v Wade. 1st trimester should be allowed on demand, but restrictions in the second and third.
Oh, tons. I used to write for my school paper in high school and college, and I was involved in debate teams. I spoke with quite a few nascent Tucker Carlson’s in my day.
Your position isn’t unique. There are many anti abortionists about. It is a hotly debated topic and both sides have many ardent supporters.
I don’t see why that is even a question you would ask me… Parents of adopted children usually tell me, or it is very plain. I can’t even imagine running around asking people that - that seems quite personal and rude. “Hey is that your real kid?” Um… I would likely let them tell me, if they chose to, without asking.
I disagree with them.
I think they are speaking from a place of security, safety, and disregard for the experiences of others. They tend to be older, religious, and Southern. Since they are likely older, it isn’t even an concern for them. Anti abortionists tend to be older.
I think if those women don’t like abortion, they do not have to have one. They should not be involved in other women’s choices.
As a guy…I agree, after all we’re not the ones who have to carry a child to term and than push another human being out of us. Even if a guy wants to be a dad, you have to factor the burden your putting on the mother and whether or not she wants the kid to begin with, and if either person are able to afford raising one.
People often forget how expensive it is raising a kid until the legal age of 18 and sometimes beyond, given some circumstances
Women who are anti-abortion are also ones who have a lot of ingrained misogyny, will defend the patriarchy, and are often brainwashed by the Church and have a lot of religious trauma.
But Thadeus doesn’t want to address the subject that his church is a cult that hates women. He’d rather call women crazy for even suggesting such a thing.
Women hating other women is such a sad thing to me. Y’all have to put up with so much ish, from societal standards to expectations from men…honestly, I don’t where you gals get the strength and patience from to deal with all of it
I won’t be doing that with questions anymore since it can lead to these kind of misunderstandings.
I do believe in God. I do believe that Jesus is the only way to salvation. I do believe in the Holy Spirit. I questioned you because you denounced marriage and are pro-choice. So will you answer my question now? You have the same beliefs, so there shouldn’t be any problems saying so.
Women have sadly been treated badly all over the world, in some countries more than others. Thankfully Western women have had more rights for decades than women in non-Western countries, especially China and countries under Sharia Law.
Women with internalized mysogyny is a huge problem tbh, I find them way more insidious than men.
These types of women are often weaponized against women who want progress.
The amount of times progess has been countered with “yeah well [ insert weaponized woman] she doesn’t care about women’s rights so not all women share your point of view” toxic men hinge on toxic women as a way to invalidate progress.
I feel sad for these women because they are working against thier own best interests.
It’s just…kind of pathetic that it’s 2021 and as a society we’re still fighting for progress and equality for women, the gay community, etc.
And as often the case, I find it’s organized religion holding us all back. It’s why I’m a spiritual person, I’m not bound by some 3k yr old book, but by my morals and being a decent human being.
Most women don’t get abortions due to forced sex. I feel conflicted for women in that situation.
If a woman doesn’t want to carry a child to term, she and any man she chooses to have sex with should be careful with contraceptives or the woman can choose to abstain.
I never said anything about uniqueness, what does that have to do with anything?
I asked “How many pro-life people have you asked whether they’ve adopted a child?” because a few pro-choice people were stereotyping pro-life people as not caring what happens to the child after they’re born. There are plenty of women who oppose abortion and aren’t older, Southern and maybe not even religious; Jordin Sparks, Celine Dion and Joy Villa to name a few.
Some of those pro-life women are women who had abortions and regretted it.
You don’t even know what church I go to and you make assumptions about me and said church. Typical Marxist attitude (I say that given your endorsement of Lenin)
The problem is, like most religious people, you pick and choose which parts of the Bible are convient for you to follow. I have yet to find someone who follows ALL the biblical laws, and no Jesus did not do away with the Old Testament ones.
Whether we do or not does not make pro-life Christians wrong about abortion. Drop the Ad Hominem attacks. You don’t know anything about me other than what I’ve stated here. You’re using personal attacks in place of facts or arguments.
What does age have to do with the merit of a book? If being thousands of year old disqualifies something, we’d better do away with architecture too… because who cares what some thousand years old books say, right?
By the way, do you know which country in the world is the least religious and most atheistic? Tell me, what rights do women and LBGT people have in that country and how long did it take to get any rights?
Architecture at least doesn’t discriminate against women and forces women to marry their rapists like the Bible commands.
Try actually reading a Bible for once, not exactly a good book to get your morality from, especially from the Old Testament