It also falls on the reasonability of the male though as well. Such as wearing a condom or pulling out before he lets out the seeds. Don’t act like it only takes a women to conceive a child.
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Incorrect.
At any rate, the amount of arguments is irrelevant. Make a hundred, or a million…there are better arguments for a woman to have the right to choose.
If she finds out in the first trimester, and doesn’t want it - your horrible attempt at a “solution” would still demand her carrying the child for months, and undergoing surgery. As well as recovering from the effects of the surgery, against her will.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you missed what “SA” is used as an abbreviation for.
Here is a hint : it isn’t something they want to engage in.
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South Australia? I agree, they are always 30 minutes too late. 
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Someone please nuke this thread
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Let’s hear these “better” arguments/sophistry to “justify” baby-killing.
Still a better choice than abortion. Do you know how many women have had abortions and then regretted them?
I will concede I might have misunderstood your use of the analogy SA, I thought it meant Sexual Activity (I was referring to the consensual kind). I changed it to “male lovers”.
You’re right about it falling on the reasonability of the male as well. I wasn’t pretending it’s only on the woman, I was listing some of the options women have.
Sure you weren’t. Because when other people have mentioned it, you ignored them.
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No. I met quite a few women who have had abortions, and none have regretted them. Since you ask. I have been a supportive friend to some as the process occured.
I already laid out the reasons why a woman should have the right to choose.
Whether it is because of a malfunction of contraceptives, or because she was assaulted and became impregnated involuntarily, or the fetus is inviable and will expire on delivery, or if the delivery could risk the life of the mother, or if the mother does not want to risk the dangers of undergoing a C section or giving birth, or any other reason - she should have the choice.
All your attempts at “solutions” involve forcing a woman to involuntarily carry a child to term, and you work from there - while I believe the law should allow them to abort the pregnancy in the first trimester, if they choose.
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Should a legal father have the right to veto an abortion?
What he didn’t understand that monopolies are typically a product of market manipulation from the state. unbalancing the natural equilibrium brought by the natural laws of supply and demand in a true free market.
Is there a business that specializes in breaking businesses? Hire a private army, kill competitors … something like that, but without blood.
What will prevent such a business from existing in the free market?
Is there a “small totalitarianism” when the same people run a company for a long time and nothing bodes well for a change of manager?
Long before this discussion, I’ve heard from women who don’t regret getting abortions and women who do regret getting abortions (there was a former family friend who had an abortion to hide the fact that she was having an affair).
I repeatedly stated I’m not referring to women impregnated by force. For the other cases - who make up the vast majority of people who get abortions - I gave counterarguments for those situations with alternatives to abortion… or said that the woman shouldn’t have chosen to have sex.
Also, malfunctions of contraceptives don’t apply to women who abstain or have only female lovers.
By the way, can you answer these questions;
Would you support a law allowing second or third trimester abortions?
How many pro-life people have you actually met or spoken to besides myself?
How many pro-life people have you asked whether they’ve adopted a child?
What do you think of pro-life women?
I focused on women’s options due to making the exception for women who were impregnated against their will by force. They didn’t choose that.
They do choose consensual encounters (as for drunken sex, drunk people can still make their own decisions, otherwise DUI charges wouldn’t exist).
While unsurprising to me at this point, the fact that you endorse Lenin explains a great deal.
By the way;
- What do you think of pro-life women? Especially pro-life women who’ve given birth?
- How many pro-life people have you actually met or spoken to besides myself?
What is your criteria for acceptable evidence that they have full human sentience?
Citation needed. I strive to follow Christ’s teachings and don’t call Him liberal or woke. And I’m not even someone who opposes all liberalism). While some on the right-wing would do that sadly, there’s just as many people on the left who would call Christ a fascist and a bigot.
Ah yes, blame the women. You seem to do that a lot. Again, it takes two to conceive.
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How much say does the baby’s father get when a pregnant woman chooses to get an abortion?
Maybe the father should’ve pulled out or own some protection. You always seem to dance around the fact that the male as just as much reasonability to avoid unwanted pregnancies as the female does.
By ignoring that and saying “well the woman shouldn’t have had sex” you are basically giving the male a free pass. Saying it is okay for him to have sex but not the girl. Even though it is the male that basically causes pregnancy via fertilization. It is also cute that you are trying to deflect away from that.
Note that is coming from a male, who is also a Christian and I am very much pro-choice. Why? Because I know that the male is just as much responsible for unwanted pregnancies as the women. Even more so given what role a male does in that whole process. If the woman doesn’t want to get pregnant and actually says so, why is it her that gets the blame and not the male? Ah, I have a feeling it has to do with the negative stigma of being a sexually active woman in our western society.
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I always agreed that both men and women - I hope you stop avoiding my questions after this - are responsible for avoiding unwanted pregnancies before and during sex, and after sex… how much say does the baby’s father get in Western society when a pregnant woman chooses to get an abortion?
Why should he side with you if he thinks your beliefs are wrong or in need of correction, if you are united only by religion?
Not that there should be some kind of association that prohibits attacking their own kind …
Is deletion required if an assertion was deleted?
He should have some say, but ultimately it is up to the would be mother as it is her body after all. She is the one who has to go through the trials and pains of child birth.
And to answer your question that you edited out like a coward. You keep saying that you agreed that “both men and women are responsible” but you always bring it back to the woman and the woman alone. So you are being hypocritical with this. And just because we share the same faith does not mean I have to defend you on your opinions. Grow up if you actually believe that I should.
I don’t understand why he deleted that question. I guess he just wanted to vent his anger via a question then deleted it so I wouldn’t notice it. But I did.
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If the women has to carry a child? No none at all. That’s up to her. The only say a man should have if he want’s to be the legal father, or if he want’s nothing to do with the child.
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