And some stopped playing because of GDKP. You don’t have all the data as to why people leave. If you can’t post firm data on this, you’re just speculating.
there is a difference in what you call the greater gdkp raiding community and the guild community that blizzard mentioned
it sounds like those other raid leaders are your “guild” and that most of the people joining your pugs are not a part of the same community, regardless of what type of raid is going on, and that is what is deteriorating the social structures in the game.
It may be that your runs are advertised as a run for all when in reality if someone does poorly, they may not be invited back to that run. In contrast to a sweatier guild, they will advertise that they are “elite” in their recruitment post
This. The whole game looks like a 10 year old spam inbox. It’s disgusting. Can’t even find regular groups. It’s all a bunch of swipers and advertisers to swipe.
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it sounds like those other raid leaders are your “guild” and that most of the people joining your pugs are not a part of the same community, regardless of what type of raid is going on, and that is what is deteriorating the social structures in the game.
Yep, most of those people are basically employees of a pyramid scam. Trading their time for an unequal share of the rewards, so the raid leaders can buy extra gear or RMT
No system is perfect. Corrupt LC, SR losing rolls bla bla bla. None of these systems encourage swiping though. GDKP does.
In a perfect world, Blizzard would combat botting, RMT and swiping and we could all run GDKPs and spend gold we farmed legitimately.
They would still have to then enforce rules for hosts cuts being limited, or your still in a corrupt pyramid scheme loot system (thats just a messier version of LC for the bis items, because the hosts always have the most gold).
This is a false equivalency and an extremely reductive take. The two aren’t mutually exclusive but rather additive, with the scale that GDKP creates for RMT being much greater than that of the AH.
RMT will always exist in some form in all MMOs, not just WoW; however, GDKP accelerates this to unprecedented levels.
Furthermore, AH is a necessity to ensure the liquidity of materials and equipment of servers, while GDKP is not a necessity for a loot distribution system with there being many alternative loot systems, that do not contribute to the inherent RMT that goes on. The benefits of GDKP do not outweigh the risks of GDKP contributing to RMT at unprecedented levels.
In your anecdotal point of GDKPers disliking bots/RMT, I have my own anecdote, I know of multiple GDKP enthusiasts and big names in the era community who have advocated not reporting/ killing bots as it keeps the price of consumes down and openly discussing buying gold while on stream…
Ban gold buyers, ban bots and then GDKP won’t matter much.
You are correct, and I retract my comparison to the AH. They’re not the same.
But my other point still stands, I think.
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Oh I see what you are saying now. Yes I agree. The issue at hand is bots and the rmt sellers. If blizz took a more direct stance on them then we would not be having this discussion.
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If there were no bots and RMT, GDKP would be a great loot system.
I remember before RMT became WIDESPREAD and the WoW Token, GDKP was really great. If you didn’t get loot, you got lots of gold which saved time farming.
But now it’s just dumb with all the bots and swipers.
None, I don’t sell gold.
You can pug so easily now without GDKP. The group finder is amazing. Schedling issues shouldn’t be a factor in guild run vs. GDKP. But you’ve got to have a loot system that is acceptable to the community at large or you won’t get many players.
Infighting is only rampant if the guild leader doesn’t put his foot down on rules of the guild on what is and isn’t acceptable. Ofcourse your guild has to be meeting it’s raiding goals in order for the leader to retain that power and when they’re not meeting their goals they have to take action to show that they aren’t being complacent about it.
I’ve not been in a GDKP as a buyer or seller - closest was selling AotC or M+ carries back in BfA.
That said, from a pseudo-outsider perspective: It just feels like the community & culture has changed - which, no duh, the game has been out 20 friggin’ years, the only thing the same is us whining on these boards - and GDKP being commonplace just feels like part of the culture now. It doesn’t feel particularly insidious on its own - the botting and RMT is the insidious part of it - but the restriction on it feels like it’s trying to force a behavior or culture within the game that is not how a lot of people are interested in playing the game anymore.
It also feels like a lot of people that are up in arms about the GDKP ban, and a lot of the people who have been like this in SoD since P2 of that, is people feeling like they’re used to playing the way the game has organically evolved for a lot of people, and now being forced to stop playing that way because of the actions of others. It annoys the hell out of me when people try to dismiss the pro-GDKP side as just whales, because this was exactly how people reacted when Master Loot was removed in BfA.
I understand the bot & RMT situation being a cluster, but I knew people in high school that started swiping with their first ever paychecks during TBC. Even without GDKP, there’s a ton of bot activity still going on, and still will be pre-TBC in the Classic Fresh servers when a lot of raw mats are needed to be collected & farmed.
I don’t even like raiding that much. I mostly play to make a casual amount of gold and PvP when PvP gear is decent.
So gold inflation kills my enjoyment immensely to the point of quitting.
And so does losing a BG to a team that could have swiped for that power for all I know.
This problem extends beyond PvE.
ain’t readin all that, you just like easy gold. better look up some gold farming videos on youtube ya lazy bum!
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Loot dissatisfaction is a server wide issue when the same guy always comes to these GDKPs and buys up all the good drops and only the rare good drops. Sure people get gold but gold only goes so far when you keep getting out bid by a gold buyer.
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Scheduling regular guilds always pug fill I dont see why this is listed as an issue… A basic RL would know this
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Infighting would be server wide, people posting logs against others on their past performance in another GDKP group leading to blacklists and negative reputation among the cluster on such person.
GDKPs have the same issues as you listed but the broadness is set across the server dude… Nothing changes.
I sincerely prefer a server organically dying and being replaced by a fresh one, or by the next xpac, than a server that like ERA keeps going on, only on the base of a p2w system and on “elitists” constantly feeding on whales and by that end, monopolizing the server economy and destroying regular guilds.
I have some chars in ERA, but i wouldn’t play it even for free, it’s almost completely based on RMT and is just denigrating the games image.
Others of us who really enjoy casually taking our time hate the whole seasonal gaming reset crap that spans across countless games
I want my efforts to matter and not be constantly reset at the beginning
cool, ill report just to be safe though