Feels like the community in general was in fact better within M+ before OBR to me.
If you consider the 3k range to be the bottom end, sure.
People are out there gleefully bricking +12s until the stars align and they get a W because mount reward.
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I think so. Everything from the static Legion dungeons being the only Mythics, then they changed to adding in more old dungeons, from the difference in how affixes work, the removal of two or three chestsā¦all of it.
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i cant speak for keys 11 and under. but I do use the weakaura that tracks OBR and at the keys I do I havent seen one use it yetā¦ I know it works because it often flags me.
Because I definitely cheat and use it for my healer dps at times.
Everything in legion up to a certain point in difficulty was just scoop it up and aoe it down.
I tried using it on my RDruid in LFR, and I was able to recoup way more mana without OBR than with.
Absolutely not. This just becomes a pathing element.
Could you elaborate on what you mean? Iām not sure Iām following.
For resto sham its just like. 1 button anyways for AE. Chain lightning.
ST is just flame shock - > lava burst ā lightning bolt.
Cant really mess that up, and while I technically could do more without it, it would be such a slim improvement I dont really care.
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you kill mini boss in Africa for +2 mins. Now people work out, it takes less than 2 mins, so everyone goes through there cause itās a net time gain.
Yeah, but itās the same now. Low keys you do that. High keys youāre a little more careful.
I think Meridyth and I are onto something with it being a myriad of things. Probably including the mentality of people online nowadays compared to back then.
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He means the standard would become to go over % in every key because it would always be to your benefit to keep stacking time on your way to the last bosses.
Wipe on the last boss? Itās all good weāre 50% over and have all the time in the world because of it.
I mean, that sort of player optimizing happens with everything and would be something that would need to be tuned to make it make sense. But thatās everything in m+ anyways so I guess I donāt really see why thatās a problem.
Going over % is something you deliberately avoid in M+.
This would make it something you deliberately do in every key just to stack time for those ājust in caseā full wipe moments.
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Or something you could do reactively in the event of a wipe.
Yes thatās kind of the point of the idea. But I think Iām starting to see that I donāt look at m+ the way the rest of you do.
I do understand that it sucks to come in over time on a key, but that doesnāt mean I want to spend another five or ten minutes watching those same people die to trash mechanics and either offsetting the time we gain or carrying them to a W that none of us actually deserve.
Iāve been complaining about bricks for days now, but that doesnāt mean Iād enjoy spending more time with the people Iāve played with lately or that any of us deserve to fail into higher keys.
Someone will do the math and figure out if itās optimal to time with 100% or faster to time over count, and that will become the meta route. Just like we have now.
This is what I mean. I guess I donāt really think of m+ like you do. Thatās ok though I guess weāll just bin that idea.
If we all deserve to win every key that we join then what is the purpose of key levels in the first place?
I didnāt say that. I donāt think you understand me or where Iām coming from. Thatās fine you donāt need to, youāve at least given me some insight into what people like about m+ so that was a win at least
Well you arenāt explaining yourself, youāre just making vague insinuations that I somehow think wrong about it.