A New Player - Feeling Stuck

WoW Classic Mists of Pandaria Classic Discussion
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I started playing classic wow a few months before TBCC came out. I came to classic without any prior experience. No retail. No private servers. I’ve been learning as much as I can along the way and I’ve become a much better player. I’m nowhere near as experienced as many of you all, but I think I’ve got a good grasp on my Class/Spec.

I main a Rogue and have spent 80-90% of my time playing on this toon. Total playtime on the rogue as of this post is a little more than 800hrs. I’ve been in a guild that a friend invited me to since making my toon in classic.
I have never been a “core” raider and hardly raid with the guild at all, I pug for the most part. Realizing that I had made a terrible mistake thinking I could find a spot as a rogue coming into the game this late, I used my 58 boosts on a Shaman. When my guild had to Xfer because horde on our server was dead I transferred my Rogue and my Shaman.

On the new server, I started farming Phase1 RestoSham BiS hoping that with the new nerfs to TK/SSC people would be willing to take newer/less geared players. My rogue has almost full Phase1 BiS excluding rings and DST at this point. I’ve been stacking arena
points to get discounted items at the end of the season. I finally respecced Sub to perform better for my arena 2s and 3s partners but they don’t play with me much so I don’t have much chance to improve.

At this point, I’ve accepted that I most likely won’t step foot in current tier raids on my rogue. On my resto sham I have been gearing as much as possible and have a pretty decent set. My problem is that every pug grp and guild that recruiting wants to know my raid EXP or to see my “logs”. When I tell them that I don’t have raid EXP but I’m a good platyer and that I’ve done my prep they ask for logs but I don’t have logs except for 1 Kara I’ve done. I’m at this point where it seems like I have nowhere to start from and no one is willing to bring me into the content I’ve never done before so I can’t improve in any way.
It goes the same for PvP on my rogue. I know rogues are very powerful in PvP but I still have a lot to learn not only about my own spec but all the other specs I’m playing against
and it feels like no one is willing to play with me while I learn.

The point of this post isn’t just to complain. I’m sure many wow players over the years have dealt with all these problems or relatable ones and have overcome them. I am just looking for any advice people may have for when you feel stuck in this way.

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You don’t need to be stuck.

I recommend posting on the LookingForGuild area on the server Discord and explaining your situation with your shammy (and your rogue if you want but you are right to focus on the shammy for raiding and the rogue for PVP because many rogues can’t find raid spots and you know that).

Say right there you do not have logs or tons of experience but will gem/enchant and consume and try your best. Then make sure to do these things. Specify your raid days and times that work for you. At the same time keep pugging the lower tier stuff if needed (i know you have been working on it).

You can find a spot for a shammy I guarantee it. When you get messages check warcraft logs for the guild, do /whos on the guild to see how active it is and search for the guild on the Discord to see if it has a good rep and you can even listen into a raid if they let you (this would be recommended before any transfers but is not relevant here).

The arena thing is going to be tougher just with how all of that works and how hard it is to find good people who fit your playstyle and personality type that you mesh with. You can do the same though with LF arena or whatever it’s called. Or even potentially even find arena partners through BG premades.

I really recommend using the realm Discord. I have seen many people find the best fits this way. Especially over in-game chat. Although sometimes if you pug with a guild and they like you that’s another way. Pugging spots is a top way to recruit as a guild and find good fits (as long as they aren’t just alts).

Another place you can check is the guild recruitment forums here:
Latest WoW Classic/WoW Classic New Guild Listings topics - World of Warcraft Forums (blizzard.com)

Hopefully you can find what you’re looking for.

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many guilds will accept you without high logs or parses. just keep looking for guilds recruiting.

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I definitely feel for you.

It’s kinda like entering the workforce when you are fresh out of high school/college and have no experience, but all the jobs available are requiring 5+ years of experience in that field already. Kinda sucks but it is what it is.

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Just going to say that if a guild is asking to see healing logs then they’re probably not worth the effort

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I applied many years ago at a shop and they wanted 3 years experience… on a system that came out that year. It hadn’t even existed for 3 years!

Agree completely.

(The following is 100% my opinion and much more depth involved than as written)

For the average player, healing logs (all logs really) are so dependent on the group and group performance that without dissecting the whole log you really can’t get a true picture. I can boost my healers HPS quite easily by standing in bad… somebody is going to die to keep me alive… but those numbers will be through the roof!

Without looking at the whole raid, and seeing where those numbers come from, you only see the end result, not the 4 druids innervating, the shaman rolling totems, or any other fluffing going on. Goes for tanks/dps as well. High numbers can mean nothing more than the group was stacked to make them look good.

My hunters cat can kill the fel reaver… with 4-5 healers… doesn’t mean they’re a good tank.

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Guilds that dont have a full roster and need shamans will bring you to every raid, since most guilds will prefer to take guildies over PuGs. So as the others mentioned, just join a guild. If you can’t raid on schedule every week with the guild, there are still guilds that will take you since they have an incomplete roster (they wont have the best performing raids, but that doesnt sound too important to you at this time I take it)

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I used to call myself a rogue main but at this point I expect nothing on it, because I missed the shot at a prime raid spot and warglaives etc. It definitely would be easier to find a spot for your shaman, a good healer is always in demand. Pug up normal dungeons until someone notices you, or post on the server discord. A guild worth your time will reach out.

My rogue that missed the boat is still there for pvp fun so it’s not too upsetting. And things could always change in the future.

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If there is a healer performing only gray parses every boss over weeks with 4 or 5 healers then these logs kind of have a meaning and that person knowingly is terrible at their job. (excluding paladins)

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What about mine on High Astro (where I was assigned target of target healing and literally just spammed a flash heal target of target macro) or Morogrim where I was assigned graves? Assignment healing kills healing logs

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Keeps people alive though. Most of the time.

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Can you actually kill the reaver with just the pet?

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So you just spam overheals or cancel?
Also can still throw raid heals when your target is 100%

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I should have said my first hunters cat as this was the first TBC. I MD’d on CD stopping my attack when MD dropped. Disc priest, tree, and 2 holy pally (had 3 but one dc’d half way through it). Healers bombing just under the threat limit, growl, Salv., pet buffed out the yang.

Also took down the nagrand elites (at level) with my cat and triple healers (not at level).

(Guild had a lot of healers)

You can do a lot of stupid fun things if you over-gear and over-compensate.

My current hunter is only 63, isn’t funded/geared like my first was, and I don’t have a bunch of bored 70 healers this time around, so haven’t tried in TBCC… yet.

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No it really doesnt. What really kills healer logs are snipers such as priests who snipe any target possible with circle of healing even if not assigned to. In our case usually if we heal assignments then parses are high.

Astromancer you cant compare to anything anymore. This boss has nothing to heal besides the targetting missiles and even those can be sniped by coh which many do.

If you want to see how good healers are according to parse numbers then in my opinion fathom lord and magtheridon are good ones. Voidreaver too, tho there can never be a case where a holy priest is below number 1 on that fight in terms of numbers. If so they are bad.

Grave assignment heals suck on morogrim yes - yet you can still heal other targets when it does not happen. There should never be an afk period… if your healers are not 98% active on target dummy fights then they are in my opinion doing something wrong and it can show in their healing. (or there is absolutely nothing to heal while tank being topped from druid hots)

There is alot to it. Number of %'s on healer logs increase the less healers you run, but there is no excuse of having gray parses constantly in my opinion unless you are a holypala. I feel like those can’t do much about it unless they choose to ignore tank assignments.

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Don’t know what server you transfered to, but alot of top 50 guilds on Whitemane will take shamans as long as they have a pulse they are in very high demand. So i’m very suspicious of this claim. Especially as Resto, the only thing I would look at a healers logs for is to check if they are dying to mechanics. Healer logs aren’t really important and most of the top guilds know that, unless they are speed running.

Log for yourself, It’s what I did in retail when I had no logs and wanted to get into a good guild. There are 10/10 pugs nearly every day of the week on Whitemane that will take a shaman provided they have a pulse and can press lust or put down windfury.

Alot of your post is “I can’t do X” because people won’t do stuff with me. It might be your server.

I do know healer spots can be fairly competative, one of my friends has 99’s or 100s on every fight as a healer and had a hard time finding a spot in the top 5 guilds, he eventually did. Maybe explore the idea of re-rolling enhance or elemental, you will still be just as needed. He joined their B team, proved how “good” he was and then demanded to be on the A team or he would leave and they relented and put him on the A team.

Also be willing to accept a lesser quality guild for a couple weeks to get better logs. Frankly bad guilds are good for healer logs because usually people get hit by more mechanics and you can heal more.

Decided to look a little bit and I came up with these guilds that are recruiting on Benediction Horde. Specifically looking for Resto Shamans

  • {Tech} realm top 10 (resto sham)
  • {Invicta} realm top 50 (resto sham)
  • {TBD Black} realm top 30 (resto sham)
  • {TBD Blue} realm top 80 (resto sham). Might be outdated post is a week old
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Literally here is your response.

“Logs? Lol I’m a shaman and this is nerfed 10/10. These raids are a joke inv”

Just gotta speak with confidence. You play the most important class in the game. And SSC and TK post nerf are easier than Kara. Have them inspect your gear, as long as you’re gemmed and enchanted it’ll be fine

That’s your card into basically any pug you want.

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Well, At TBCs initiation, we had multiple karas running, some people on the bench while others in our guild were leveling up. Finished all bosses in kara before they nerfed it. got all the resist gear, heading into SSC first, killed hydross , went to lurker and didn’t do well the first night we were there. coolio. its cool. we aren’t a hardcore raiding guild at all.

however we had several people leave guild and stop playing wow, holidays came , lots of people left game to focus on their thing. Since we couldn’t field 25 people in SCC/TK and had to pug, more people were like… going to to retail for a bit. others had to actually go back to work from their covid hiatus.

Now we cannot form a 25 man group . we have a very solid 12-19 people at any given time that are good raiders. But I see the drain on the officers, and Gm. Some people are picking up the slack . We have recruited a few really good people recently. Im hoping some come back after the holidays and what not.

We’ve tried to partner up with a few guild in the same boat that we are in. But it seems that a lot of our reasons for playing are sometimes different.

We just want bodies that are willing to learn mechanics. We dont need you to PUMP dat dps.

I like that you said you just came back and have DST, etc. LORD. I have been running gruuls from day one and have finally seen my first DST drop. Luckily I received it, but damn. And about 1 month ago I finally got My Kara bow, running that again every week. I was tanking it for our one raid team, and I was on my main for my raid team. I have only seen Prince Mechs bow drop 2x since the initiation of TBC.

Someone also mentioned the whole parsing with idiots and what not. Sure. however if you aren’t Fully raid buffed, and have amazing comps, you aren’t going to push those parses. Hell, we have a hard time getting a shaman in are raids, so Heroism is so rare. Doesn’t mean we are horrible players, etc.

Bottom line is this. You show up to raid, you follow mechanics, you make sure you are well fed . most guilds will want you. It depends on what you are looking for. you want to be in those hardcore guilds? Well, you better make sure you play the spec they want, have every consume under the sun… What… you dont use flamecaps on your shaman or warlock. -50DKP!!! like seriously… come on. I dont care if we kill the boss 2 minutes faster. I just want a smooth run and make sure people follow mechanics.

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What server? Even without the raid logs, if the server has a large enough Horde population you should be able to get a guild with a resto shaman.

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For me this is where I don’t ever want to be.

I want to raid with people I enjoy raiding.

Whats the difference between raid A and raid B. ? notoriety? You will get your gear sooner or later if thats alll you are after.

I would rather play the game with people I enjoy then worrying about parsing 99% versus a 89% so I can get notoriety?

However, if thats the type of person you are, Then by all means. GO FOR IT.

Now… if that person is like. Raid B doesn’t complete the raids and A does. then that’s a different story. But if you are a guild that has more than 1 25 main raid team, and you dont have to find a pug to complete current content, I dont really see the problem