I understand that, which is why saying âBlizzard hates us!1â comes across as melodramatic and cringe. They just suck at writing.
No issue with the criticism of Worgen but this forum has been plagued with victimization complexes.
Imagine going to the grocery store and discovering that theyâve discontinued your favorite chip and then coming to the conclusion that management must hate you.
Not really. Because the management doesnât beat you over the head for liking something different. But Blizzard does regularly moralizes to itâs player base why liking the Orcs, trolls, Worgen, Night Elves are a bad thing and you should feel bad for liking them.
Itâs not a coincidence these same races are p|ssed on constantly in the story by either being villan batted every other expac, trolls being treated as nothing more than savages/cannibals most of the time, and well we know how they think of the Elves and worgen.
Can you prove that bad events happening to these fictional races are done because Blizzard wants to punish you for playing them?
Do you really not see how outlandish that sounds?
Its kinda obvious most of the âterribleâ stuff happening to races is due to terrible writing.
Alt its just intentional to make you feel something (because apparently that is what a good story should make you feel (ok i worded that poorly, Ehm think of when the ugnaught character in mandalorian died, you feel it, you actually like the character he is noble and kind etc. Emotions etc)) ⌠but the only feeling that you feel is well âlike crapâ
Well, it is a hyperbole, but imo the point still stands.
Blizzard either canât or donât want to dwell into developing culture/ values/ fleshing out anything outside of their comfort zone.
The pattern is very visible :
Instead of writing a narrative that worgen can be both a blessing and a curse and taking fun in managing the pros and cons of this condition, they only frame it as something bad that shouldnât define them.
Instead of writing tauren in a complex matter, theyâre forever sidekicks especially to more competent night elves, and when they do get the spotlight, itâs not really them but their leader who is the most defined by being peace mongrel and by friendships with his super Alliance pals, instead of being an example of his people, of their virtues and flaws again. Tauren are peaceful, but theyâre not peacemongrels. With each expansion the Tauren are becoming less and less attractive as a race because of such shallow treatment.
Orcs, instead of going wild with warrior culture, setting up hard rules of stuff that is acceptable and not acceptable to orcs and hone it, they constantly villain bat them and shame them for being brutish. Instead of taking the approach that just because youâre brutish doesnât mean you canât use it for good purpose. Just because you like to fight and take trophies, doesnât mean you have to pick up on weak and innocent. A warrior should take pride in taking a foe equal or greater to them. But since WoD, everything that could be salvaged from orcs was retconned, and they were all-time bad guys instead of a tiny fraction of the âgood guysâ.
and exact same thing happens to trolls, instead of using their savagery and politics seriously, that they could have valid reasons to be upset with someone theyâre blatantly villain bat for not bending over for us, and the narrative is that the only good troll is the âdomesticatedâ troll, like Darkspears with their Exileâs reach description
âRenouncing the savagery of the other tribesâ. Funny, because WoD made âSavageâ sound as a positive trait, and Darkspears donât shy from violence. There are plenty of situations where they shown that they can be frightening foes.
But nope. And on top of that, they can never fight a legit foe that wronged them, no, each time we have to side with trolls itâs against the other made up rogue trolls. This pattern was not only done to death but shows to me that Blizzard is afraid to write trolls having legit grievances with outside foes, and justifying their point of view.
The list can go on and on. And this is why the council is so ugly to me. Because it feels like Horde is defanged in the process, especially with Baine, Calia, belf leader and Thalyssra swooning over Alliance. And Thrall returning just to be passive-aggressive and showing what a waste of time Horde is.
Ahaha, tell me some more jokes yeah?
Likewise. I wonât be content with a zone i hardly cared for though. Ashenvale or bust.
Lemme guess most of this thread is the same old whinging?
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Ashenvale is a beautiful zone. And when was the last time Darkshore was relevant? Back in vanilla questing?
I would say Cata because that is the first time we get to see Malfurion in WoW isnât it? I mean I donât particularly care about him, I like Tyrande more, but I feel like that was a big moment.
Oh yeah, when he did the whole Shaman thing with the winds and suchâŚwhich I found odd. But itâs whatever. 
He is in Darnassus as well before that.
Jeesh, way to miss a point.
Iâm not saying that nelves didnât get misstreatment. Iâm saying that when tauren are used itâs only as a sidekicks, they never have a plot of their own, the only time they did was in MoP and it was mirroring nelves.
My point is for them to have truly unique plot on their own, where we learn about their politics, needs and culture. To try to make their druidism distinct, maybe try to search native american mythos and involve it in Tauren folklore?
This drives me insane, I hate this so much. I feel like as time goes on, these races are written more and more to look âcivilisedâ.
Not all Trolls, you see
Yeah, because the only way to not be evil in this universe is to be like humans.
Druids were able to use nature as a whole, thats canon since wc3.
Werenât other troll tribes doing stuff like canibalism and sacrificing themselves for their blood loas?
So what? Listen, if the trolls feel like eating someone instead of⌠say, executing them, thatâs their business. If someone wants to die in the name of their loa, they can do that too. I donât believe most Loa even ask for blood, anyway.
The issue is how you frame all of that.
If trolls were getting sacrificed without wanting that by other more violent trolls, and if the horde was like: âYo, come to the Horde, we have Honor and spikesâ, then I feel that they really left behind a more savage lifestyle that didnât benefit them, but i know next to nothing about Troll lore, not for me to judge.
Invading other tribes and killing their people for their own Loa that the original tribe had no loyalty to is a different perspective, I think.
Also, I want trolls to be kinda gross and problematic and I stand by the opinion that itâs not synonymous with âevilâ.
You donât get it.
Being Savage is not equal to being evil.
Making Sacrifice to Loa doesnât equal being evil.
Darkspears despite showing their savagery and Dark Rituals can manage very well, they can fight dirty, they can go berserk and cause carnage. It shouldnât be deemed evil so long on what they use it on.
When weâre surrounded by various threats itâs even awesome to look menacing against your own foes.
I would want for people to run from trolls in fear! They can be absolute worst against enemies, and be totally chill bros outside of war.
But this game frames savagery as something bad, period. While spending so much time in WoD using savage as something dignified.
I donât want for trolls to be turned into humans, that they understand honor the same way and have the same values. I donât want for their traits to be made to look evil, and twist them to something theyâre not just to show that theyâre not evil. Theyâre actually morally grey race.
I want for the narrative to finally acknowledge their right to the land that they occupy, their right to defend themselves even if they can be savage about it, and donât frame them as evil when theyâre not bending over for us.
