A Minor Request, All Things Considered

January 16, 2007 is when tbc came out originally. The code does not have features like name change or sex change on the client. Those things came in wrath and later. But good news, Shadowlands has it :slight_smile: and if they do add something like that they will lose more subs then they would gain. People would revolt. The players that played tbc originally don’t want things added that was not in the game… like duel spec. I know they have changed a few things in tbc but that does not mean everyone can ask for silly changes that are not needed or wanted by the majority.

You can say this until you’re blue in the face. That doesn’t mean the changes YOU want should come.

Nothing really more to say then that. If/when WotLK classic comes, there will likely be a barber shop. Until then, you are welcomed to relevel a new character with your desired appearance.

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Yup! I remember it well!

Interesting to look back at an old game and figure out how it worked, I guess, right?

Nice!

No. They’d probably enjoy another aspect the game has today that it didn’t have back in the day.

Yeah, maybe a few folks would. Then they’d keep playing. Kind of like everyone who revolted when Blizzard said they would do a boost and Rift Stalker mount, etc.

I played TBC originally. I want Dual Spec.

Looks like you’re incorrect.

Good thing the majority wants it:

It doesn’t not mean it either. Means I can spend time here doing the feedback thing as much as the next person.

So you said there’s nothing more to say than that and then you follow up by saying more? Okay, so given there is more to say I’m going to say that getting the barbershop early would fantastic and I’d love to get some cosmetic changes in TBC Classic!

#SomeChanges!

I’m absolutely sure some people left because of the boosts and store mounts. Maybe not right away, but seeing that mount all the time just breaks the nostalgia for a lot of people.

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So am I. Just as I’m absolutely sure some people left Classic WoW because they hated the lack of any changes.

i know it seems like such a purely cosmetic thing doesn’t matter, but it actually does. you made a choice to be male. you need to stick with it. choices matter in non-retail. you either accept this or go to retail

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I quit swimming because I like, totally hate water.

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I quit writing full sentences because

#somechanges != #changeeverything

And again, even though Blizzard is making changes, you still have to justify the change. “They’ve already changed x, y, z” is not sufficient justification for changes a, b, c.

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Lots of people want lots of things. This can be used to justify anything. “Fun” is quite subjective. I mean, an NPC that hands out free raid gear for zero effort might be fun to some people, but it would destroy the game.

Yup! Just like that guy who asked the Blizzard panel to remake Vanilla WoW. :money_mouth_face:

If people want things, it just means they want them. Pretty straightforward.

And…?

When did they do this?

thats called karazan

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If you could change your sex with the click of a button, it would invalidate all the neckbeard’s hard work and dedication. They thought long and hard about their character’s gender. Take that away from them, and what will they be left with? Absolutely nothing, which is surprisingly what they previously started with, but let’s ignore that fact okay?

Hopefully you will learn a valuable lesson whilst leveling for 100 hours on your new female orc. We wouldn’t want you to invalidate any of the in-game choices that no one inside or outside of the game even cares about.

Please consider others before you come up with these ideas. Unless it’s about dual spec. That’s okay.

Well, yeah sure, but you were using this is a justification to make a change to the game. The whole point of my post is that “because it’s wanted” is not a good reason to change something.

What if a bunch of genius players wanted infinite gold? What if 100% of players wanted infinite gold? Do you really think giving players infinite gold would be good for the game?

Your next argument was that something should be changed if it’s “fun.” I would ask you to define “fun” because it doesn’t mean the same thing to everyone. I imagine some people would find infinite gold quite fun, but it would destroy the game and make it decidedly not fun for a lot of other players, too.

So far, the arguments I’ve seen in this thread for making a change to the game:

“It’s fun.”
“It’s wanted.”
“Why not?”
#somechanges, they already changed x, y, z, so that justifies a, b, c.” (Note: my contention with this argument is that if you wanted a, b, c changed, you should give reasons specific to a, b, c, not simply citing that x, y, z was changed.)

None of these are good arguments for why anything should be changed.

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What if a bunch of players wanted Blizzard to recreate Vanilla and TBC?

Just because they wanted to play those games. Would that be a good enough reason to make them?

:wink:

Yes, very good reasons for why players wanted Blizzard to remake Vanilla WoW and TBC.

Then why did Blizzard eventually give us our old games?

i absolutely hate it. if we didnt have flying itd be way worse.

Read what I wrote. “Because it’s wanted” is not a good reason to change the game. Read it: change something that already exists. People wanted Diablo 3, people want Diablo 4. It’s fine if Blizzard creates new games that people want, but to change something that is supposed to be an accurate recreation of something else is a totally separate issue.

Think of it this way: a lot of people want to be able to play old retro NES games from the 1980’s. So Nintendo came out with the NES classic. Sure, a lot of people wanted that. But say those same people wanted those games to be mutated classic+ versions that are drastically different from the originals, because they wanted that too. Would you change them?

Because some dude crunched the numbers and found out it might be a good financial move.

And while you’re at it, please answer my questions from before:

We wouldn’t be playing these Classic remakes of our favorite games if we didn’t want them. It doesn’t make sense any other way.

What was this person’s name and did that person make an official statement on this?

Ok.

If a bunch of genius players wanted infinite gold, then a bunch of genius players would want infinite gold.

If 100% of players wanted infinite gold, then 100% of player would want infinite gold.

I don’t know the answer to that question since that hasn’t been done before.

You don’t seem to be getting my point. Your argument is that a change is justified simply by players wanting it. So if a bunch of players wanted infinite gold, then that’s a good reason to add infinite gold to the game?

My point was obviously that one of the reasons Blizzard made classic was because they had a clear financial incentive. A point which also seemed to go over your head.