During the Hordeside questing, they send as many of the Zandi ships from the bay as they can crew to Nazmir, along with all that were outside the bay, and all Horde ships. In theory there were only a few ships still in the bay that they couldn’t crew in a timely manner. Mekka’s bomb remote seemed to be EXTREMELY short ranged, so the rest should all be safe…
BUT, after the raid the Horde and Alliance are both talking like they destroyed 100% of the Zandi fleet. Did something happen to all the rest, or is Blizzard just going to forget them SECONDS later and never mention them again?
Also, it’s lame that almost nothing changes after the raid at all. Only the king is missing, but otherwise the city and fleet in the bay are unchanged.
Wait, why couldn’t he mobilize the Golden Fleet? Why wasn’t the fleet already mobilized? They were already embroiled in the H/A war. Alliance and Horde forces were invading the various islands all over the seas between Zandalar and KT. Is everyone in a position of power in the Zandalari Empire incompetent?
Many didn’t make it only a few ships made it out. Sorta like Pearl harbor where the Pacific fleet was decimated. Unlike the real world comparison we have a Horde which is in decline not line America under Roosevelt who had the resolve and willing to build the infrastructure to meet their enemies on the battlefield. The Horde is not America under it’s greatest leader of the 20th century. At best it’s a crumbling empire on it’s decline barely kept afloat after a costly civil war and a recent extraterrestrial war which loss them much of their remaining navy and military to a war which was fought on all fronts. The Horde is in such a bad state they can barely hold Kalimdor under their grip.
Given how many Zandalari ships are out there in the world, seen in questing and such, versus how few we ever see docked at Zuldazar, I am not seeing this ‘Majority’ people are pointing to. It might be Blizzard telling and not showing but after the big attack there’s still a giant warship to be used to chase Jaina, so it looks like even the ‘docked’ ships weren’t completely removed. Hell, not all of the ships in the cutscene were blown up.
Between all the ships in the dock not disabled and all of the ships already active and on the water, either less of the fleet was lost than people expected or Blizzard has fumbled the execution on this bit of storytelling.
You know having more ships does not prove that you can no longer be contested on the seas?
History is chalk full of references to smaller fleets absolutely decimating a larger fleet.
The way it has been presented it always seemed more like individually Kul’tiran ships where better, but Zandalar had a real numerical advantage. That is gone now.
But, regardless of whether that is true or not we only have to listen to what both sides are saying. They don’t have the power to compete. Shaw says it flat out. Telanji says that Zandalar no longer has an advantage to offer the Horde. Etc.
It really doesnt matter.
Everyone was certain the Japanese fleet was pathetic and yet they completely outmaneuvered the Russian fleet.
A very interesting battle that one.
The Japanese really exploited their guns to the best of their ability and the russian fleet was absolutely decimated.
EDIT: Link to the event.
Every single KT Fleet is also blessed by Tidesages while Zandalari Fleet has nothing similar, none of their Loas empowers their fleet.
We’re like comparing 10 galleys vs 30 Destroyers/Frigates. And Zandalari doesn’t even know whether their ships have bombs implanted on them. KT Fleet > Zandalari, there’s really nothing to argue about it.
This is correct. A great example is when the English destroyed the vastly superior Spanish Armada. It was such a decisive blow that the Spanish never recovered and England became the greatest Naval power in the world for centuries.
Well, we’ve had plenty of sources to explain why the Zandalari fleet is all but wiped out by a large margin. Unfortunately, even if the Zandalari can rebuild their fleet in amazing speed, crewing all those ships is another matter. Considering all the conflict plaguing their isles recently, not only is their population diminished, but finding experienced sea-faring trolls is going to be another problem.
That said, the narrative will always have enough of whatever is needed to serve it’s purposes. We might wake up to an update tomorrow where the Kul Tirans state half their fleet has actually rotted through and needs extensive repairs that’ll take years, leaving the Kul Tirans crippled.
Or a missing Zandalari fleet will suddenly arrive in Zandalar. Not unlike how the Kul Tiran fleet miraculously returned to Kul Tiras at the end of Kul Tiran Questing.
How many hits did Jaina’s ship take? More then a few. The only time we saw the ballista destroy ships quickly was the initial introduction. And it was only a few Alliance ships and a LOT of Zandalari. You put that many balista firing at once and it is going to sink the ships from shear number of hits.
And while there have been cases of smaller fleets winning in history, those are the exceptions and not the rule. Plus we are talking about the Kul’tirans having more ships, with their ships being more powerful. The chances of a Zandalari win is extremely unlikely at best.
Also, keep in mind the situation is so dire for Zandalari that Telanji was concern the Horde would leave them on their own because they were no longer a military asset to the Horde. She does not think they have any real chance at competing.
Paku is actually the patron loa of the navy according to her priests in the city which will sometimes say different lines about her. Gonks tablet mentions his mastery of the sea as well.
Gral has an item that drops in Zandalar that talks about him watching over all Zandalari voyages.
Also we have this in the next patch from Talanji. “With de loa’s blessing, our sacred blades and mighty ships commanded de seas.” .
So its clearly said they bless them which shouldn’t be a surprise as they get the loa to bless everything.
In the Jaina fight you destroy several Kul Tiran ships with the ballista’s.
Jaina’s ship may be the largest in the world so its going to take more. (Rastakhan’s Fury may be as large its easily the biggest in the Golden Fleet).
